Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11501041)

I dont read comments people love to be nasty on social media just because they can, after seeing what can happen to women i.e Afghanistan I more than welcome women being able to do whatever they want given it is with their own free will, fashion models are only hired if the look nice and that goes for both men and women, you wont see too many adverts with people with facial disfigurements unless it is to raise awareness or something, personally I think the walk on girls are being brought back to promote betting rather than anything else

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501047)

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11501049)

This is an interesting read from 2017 but still

Darts is now one of Sky’s best-performing sports and the broadcaster has dedicated a whole channel to the World Championship, Sky Sports Darts, every year since the 2015 event.

However, it’s not all about top-line numbers, as the UK broadcast coverage is also attracting a younger audience: the 2016 World Championship coverage on Sky drew a 3% year-on-year increase of viewers from the 25-34 age group, a 1% decrease in viewers from the D/E social demographic, and an 8% increase in viewers from the C1/C2 social demographic. A third of the darts audience on Sky over the last four years has also been female.

These figures are important – and music to the ears of the darts fraternity – because there is a stereotype often directed at darts that its fanbase is made up of older men from the working classes. That may still be true to a certain extent, but it’s audience is certainly shifting to a more diverse demographic make-up – which was seen first hand during the 2015 World Championship when Prince Harry was pictured enjoying a night’s action at Ally Pally.

t’s also worth stressing this isn’t solely a UK phenomenon – both the PDC World Championship and darts more generally are enjoying strong growth on TV in key markets across the globe. The Netherlands is darts’ strongest TV market outside the UK, while eyes should be directed towards Canada, which experienced triple-digit TV viewership growth for the sport in 2016 compared to 2015.

https://www.sportindustry.biz/news-c...nce-you-think/

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501040)

No one mentioned wife beating in relation to this thread at all until Cherie brought up "match day" domestic violence, which I'd mentioned in another thread, weeks ago, and is a very real and well understood issue that every domestic violence service and police force in the country is well aware of. I have no idea why people are so keen to dismiss it as untrue. It just is, factually, real. Clearly it caught in Cherie's throat at the time and it was brought up here weeks later in a totally different context, you'd have to ask her for the reason for that.

Men enjoying ogling women half their age is gross, organisations exploiting the fact that they do for advertising/profit is 10x more gross. I'm not going to change my opinion on either of those things. And they do play into a general public mindset that is ultimately damaging. There's ample evidence that it isn't "harmless".



Slightly baity because it'll take the whole thing right off topic but you're simply wrong. Gammon is a term that makes people uncomfortable and that's why I use it when I use it. I'm well aware that the issue is male objectification if women, not "teh white men", for example there's a massive problem with males in Muslim communities and their attitudes towards women and girls, and the way they view western women and girls (extreme objectification and dehumanisation plays heavily into the issue of grooming gangs, for example). I've said all of this, clearly and openly, in threads on those topics but you fairly consistently ignore those posts and misrepresented me as "only having an issue with white men" so this isn't unusual Cherie. As you were.



I'm only going to take one final swipe at this because again, brick wall, Liam simply doesn't understand the distinction -- this (none of this) has anything at all to do with the choices being made by women.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501047)

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11501044)

Why do you have so many issues with sports with working class roots, you do not follow sport so jog on maybe?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11501052)

You're such a literalist... until it suits you not to be.

Much, much too long a mitigation when I've seen for myself what you've said and how insulting you've been.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11501029)

I do agree... But I think it might be an overreaction to say it cheapens women in sport. A womens rugby team was recently required to be photographed in lingerie to raise some money for the club. I thought that was far more sexist than getting someone whose only legally chargeable skill is walking in front of some darts players.

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11501072)

If this is the GB rugby squad, it was to highlight something, and not to raise money for the squad.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501077)

Is this suggesting that rugby is viewed somehow differently/note favourably?

Because University rugby teams are literally the biggest heap of utter bellends I've yet to encounter, anywhere, at all, in my entire life. The actual worst.

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11501078)

I wont be answering anymore questions from you until you answer the one I asked you

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501079)

I'm not going to check back so you'll need to repeat it.

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11501080)

Do you find the walk on girls sexy?

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501090)

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy :umm2:... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11501101)

Isn’t your step mum the same age or younger than you ?

What was your dad when he m t her and how old was she ?

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501090)

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy :umm2:... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501105)

About 6 years older, and she was in her late 30's and him in his late 50's.

If he'd been picking up 20 year olds I'll be frank and say I'd have been very, very concerned and most likely would have cut contact.

Again though, everyone is extremely distracted by the age part of things here when that's really a sub-plot in this thread, I've said 4 or 5 times that it isn't better that the women are in their 30's, and it wouldn't be better if they were in their 40's, or 50's, or any other age bracket.

Id just the old lads a little less if it was older women, but the thing itself would still be objectifying and damaging. I wouldn't judge the organisers any less. It's not just gross "because of their age".

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 11501114)

i don't watch darts so it doesn't affect me ,I just wonder why ?

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11501110)

So it's your snobbery that thinks everyone else does.:shrug:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11501117)

i don't watch it cause it's boring, i don't know why you don't watch :laugh:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 11501121)

:laugh::laugh: I meant i wonder why they need the walk on girls again,lol. and yes I find it boring too

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11499025)

What happened? Did they discover that not many people want to watch fat bastards drinking beer and throwing darts on telly if its not sugared up with some objectification?

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501047)

I’m happy in the knowledge that I don’t look down on woman for what they choose to do in their careers, also that I don’t put women’s careers against each other, or think they’re naive beings who don’t really understand anything if they chose a career that I don’t like.

It’s nice to know that people are happy to discredit peoples opinions based on their gender and sexuality though, I guess the journey to ‘true’ feminism brings out the biases in people

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11501126)

Of Course
Slick Liam.

These Fit Young Women
want the work,
back again.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501120)

I've not once said that everyone else does? The ones who like the walk on girls being there/argue that it's something that should continue are the ones I have an issue with. Plenty of people I'm sure couldn't give a sht if they're there or not. It's an outdated misogynistic practice that belongs in the past. People who agree with that will be fine with putting an end to it, people who aren't bothered either way will be fine with putting an end to it... The only ones who will have an issue with stopping it are the ones who actively enjoy it. Ogling.

Of course you'll get some who are simply stuck on the idea that "it's traditional!" and just don't like any sort of change in general but is there even any reason to go down that path. It's just not a good enough reason by far. Bin it off.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11501135)

Yes, women taking control of their lives and their circumstances is objectively empowerment

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11500911)

I'm choosing to believe that there are a few people who agree with the gist of the message, just not my... Umm... Methods of engagement...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11501008)

Yeah, see that's my issue with it. It must feel a bit **** for your sister to be trying to be taken seriously as a female player while watching the only women on "the big stage" being paraded around the men like decorations

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11501029)

I do agree... But I think it might be an overreaction to say it cheapens women in sport. A womens rugby team was recently required to be photographed in lingerie to raise some money for the club. I thought that was far more sexist than getting someone whose only legally chargeable skill is walking in front of some darts players.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy (Post 11501090)

I did answer that and said that I don't find anything about it sexy in the slightest. I'm sorry if that's not the answer you want?

Are you asking if I think they're objectively good looking? I'm sure I'd think some of them are, some of them aren't. I don't find 20 year olds sexy or attractive in any way. I fundamentally disagree with the premise that older men will "always" be more attracted to younger women. Girls in their 20's look like teenagers to me. There's nothing sexy about that. I saw it differently when I was Mock's age, because they weren't much younger than me. I find the picture posted of the old man looking in the mirror and seeing himself as a young man in his 20's (and thus excusing being still attracted to much younger women) a false and abhorrent thing to normalise about men. We ain't all like that. The idea that we "secretly are" is BS.

But apparently some of them are older so maybe I'd agree that some of them are attractive? I doubt they all look the same? How can anyone say that every last one is attractive/sexy :umm2:... What a wide net to cast. It's always going to be subjective.

Even if I did think they were attractive, seeing the walk-on darts parade would be immediately and completely un-sexy.

If you're really that nosy about what gets me going though Parmy, for some reason... Here it is - what I find sexy has nothing to do with anything you can gatger from a picture or seeing someone on telly. So even the age-appropriate ones, I can't tell you if I think they're "sexy". I haven't met them.

That's all a bit long winded so here's the short answer;

"Do I look at darts walk on girls and think ooh how sexy"

The answer is "no".

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11501831)

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11501976)

Only once you had your say :hehe: :nono: