Speaking of BB16 I'm watching it on feeds right now and Nicole is actually better after she's grown on me in BB18 :love:

It's true!

(although Dan is being snubbed too)

Bc he's trash

Nicole is one of the worst BBUS winners ever :fist:

You clearly haven't watched many seasons. Nicole's edit's in both seasons are possibly the furthest from the truth there is. They clearly cast someone that should fit a 'cute/dorky kinda awkward girl next door' thinking Nicole would be suitable. Whereas in reality Nicole whinged all day thinking everyone was out to get her and then moaned some more. She was constantly comparing herself to the other females and in both seasons wanting to be the last girl and wanted all other women out regardless for strategy.

The producers then got her to play up to this character that they planned to cast [the cute dorky awkward girl next door] in the Diary room and in their edits. If I just watched the episodes I may have liked Nicole, but having been an avid feed watcher during both BB16 and BB18, she was unbearable in BB18 for me and annoying in BB16. She lacks strategy and is a woman hating, jealous, bitchy moaner.

I think live feeds make a massive difference on opinions, I watched BB8 and loved the winner of that season, and then I started watching back loads of feeds on this season and realised the person I supported was actually much worse than I thought and got lucky in the game by production twists.

I think Nicole for me will always be the worst winner. I disliked Andy Herren just as much but at least he played with strategy and bossed the gaming side of Big Brother and for that I do have a tiny bit of respect for the guy.

AAAH Caleb during the comic book comp... "I might need to sneak this into my room later" @ Amber's comic :skull:

Her personality has a certain cuteness to it outside of just the show edit! I kinda liked how she moaned about things as well actually, the way she did it was usually funny to watch. And in BB18 she was pretty involved in the strategy and alliances and I think was a perfectly deserving winner (even if not over Paul).

Nicole beat Paul though so does it really matter

Thats how I know shes awful as I preferred Paul to Nicole in BB18 as did most people.

BB18 Paul was exactly as mean and vicious and narcissistic as he ended up being in BB19 though, he just had an underdog facade that concealed it

i know, that’s why i said a few posts back that i’d only fully watched seasons 10, 12, 15 and 16 and half of 17, 19, and 20

Paul is awful

i like her too

i like Dan the player, i don’t like Dan the person. he’d be no fun to be with in the outside world

I still believe Nicole only won because of the Care Package Twist. America were wanting to award Natalie/Michelle alliance. They voted Michelle as Co-HOH to benefit her game. They didn't realise the clause that she wouldn't be able to compete the following week.

Suddenly Natalie and Michelle are HOH together and both can't compete the following week, meaning they are screwed the following week where Nicole wins HOH and evicts Michelle. The public supporting the James/Natalie/Michelle threesome all got screwed over as Grodner was pushing for Nicole/Paul who the fans were not supporting. This carepackage that was meant to be helpful actually killed the game.

Just saw this moment on the live feeds now... https://i.gifer.com/PVE2.gif so iconic :joker:

https://i.gifer.com/PVE2.gif

Especially Paul anyway. Wasn't he a big fan favorite? At least among casuals (but also plenty of bigger/super fans).

Paul claims he was *the real AFP* but Victor only got it bc he was in the final but Paul is also a huuuuuuuge narcissist so take it for what you will.

And Dominic is right, he was exactly the same in 18 and 19, the only difference was that he was an underdog at first and then his second time around he had a lot more power from the jump.

To help get this thread back on track, here's the gif of Sam telling Rockstar that she wants Angela and Tyler out of here :love:

https://i.imgur.com/TAZq0MR.gif

I mean obviously Natalie/Michelle/James dominating would've been an ideal scenario, but Nicole winning over Paul is kinda rewarding considering Paul treated Michelle and Natalie like **** idk :shrug:

BuT PaUL lOsT bECauSe NAtAliE hATeS mEN

Does Sam really want Tyler out?

When will most of BB19?

Angela and Sam gave me BB19 flashbacks with playing for Tyler to win

Can we get back on topic please

No...she isn't. I reckon I could name at least two women in every season that are better than Nicole, she sucks (and wanks, iykwim)

Also I'll never understand why Paul haters are glad she beat him, that's the entire reason you'll have to endure him for a third season at some point. I don't think he'd have ever come back had he won first time

I don't know if she actually does, and I doubt she'll ever be in a position to actually make a move against him, but she realized with the whole Bayleigh situation that L4 is just blatantly using her. Their whole MO with Sam has basically been "you have to vote for <name>... we'll explain later" but then they never do. They told Sam that she had to vote Bayleigh and handled it very sloppily, and since Sam loves Bayleigh and views her as one of her very good friends in the house that's why she had that meltdown before the live eviction and was threatening to self-evict.

She's upset that there is still a house divide and that L4 is just stringing her along for a vote and that Tyler doesn't talk to her as much anymore and is seemingly putting all of his eggs in Angela's basket. It's a totally understandable feeling, but instead of Sam reacting in a "let's do something about it" strategic way, she's melting down in a hurt feelings/friendship way. Rockstar did an A+ job comforting her and hanging out with her last night after the live show while Angela, Kaycee, and Tyler just sat in the geometry room and talked **** about Sam so they had it coming. Their games really got unnecessarily sloppy ever since backdooring Bayleigh and the house meeting and they've just been falling apart. Especially Tyler, he's become more and more driven by his ego ever since that Kaitlyn boot and now he's laser-focused on showing Haleigh up and goading her into backdooring him so he can make good TV and use the Cloud in an annoying Dan Gheesling way. He really should just be focusing on winning the Hacker Comp so he can play in the POV Comp and try to save one of his allies and hold onto the Cloud, but he's been building up to him using it in a dramatic fashion ever since Haleigh won last night.

I mean it's a double-edged sword really, of course Paul is entirely responsible for making BB19 one of, if not THE worst seasons in history, but at the same time, him losing in 2nd place and leaving the house to the entirety of America loathing him is glorious?

queens :love:

Angela and Kaycee are lying in the HN Room looking *PISSED* :love: