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Vanessa 22-08-2013 11:27 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree then.

KingBilly 22-08-2013 11:29 PM
Is bots available on the channel 5 website?

Vanessa 22-08-2013 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBilly (Post 6321444)
Is bots available on the channel 5 website?
I think so. Speidi are on tomorrow! :amazed::worship::worship::worship:

MeMyselfAndI 22-08-2013 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6321287)
omg I remember that :love: much like BB and CBB people didn't get that she WAS the show, it actually died when she left

I was actually thinking about IAC the other night and couldn't for the life of me think who was on it/who won, then Helen popped into my head and I remembered all of her amazing moments, and I spent ages trying to think of who won but I genuinely couldn't remember so I had to Google it and then I realised it was that tedious dullard Charlie Brooks and I thought 'well that explains why I can't remember her' :joker:

She has to do CBB at some point, she is like perfect :lovedup:
I know Helen was robbed, when she left I thought, atleast let Rosemary or Ashley win as they're entertaining... Then the dull Charlie Brooks won :bored:

KingBilly 22-08-2013 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6321448)
I think so. Speidi are on tomorrow! :amazed::worship::worship::worship:
I know, I literally cannot wait for them. I missed tonights though, so hopefully I'll be able to catch up tomorrow.

Videostar 22-08-2013 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321429)
Well, for a start I am not anti Dexter. I like Dexter. I liked him on tonight's show, and I even found the sea biscuit line funny. I didn't find Sam's comments funny. But that isn't what we were talking about, we were talking about sexism.

And we were only talking about that because some people are so blinded by their love for Dexter that they cannot see sexism when it comes out of his mouth.

Sam's comments were sexist. But they were pretty run of the mill sexist. They were very coarse, and inappropriate and not very funny. But on the same panel where someone uses the phrase 'ride her like Seabiscuit' it is bizarre that anybody would choose the lad who claimed to have an erection because a girl was pretty as sexist over the one referring to a man using a woman like a racehorse.
Women and men have to be involved for anyone to ride anyone like a race horse (I cant believe I even typed that sentence out lol) so I don't see the sexism in Dexter's comment.

DanaC 22-08-2013 11:44 PM
You don't think it's sexist because women and men have to be involved. ok. Well, not much I can say to that.

Videostar 22-08-2013 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321539)
You don't think it's sexist because women and men have to be involved. ok. Well, not much I can say to that.
So are you saying that the man involved in the act is any more or less apart of the joke?

DanaC 22-08-2013 11:57 PM
His role in that joke is one of agency and power, he is the one riding. Her role is one of submission, she is being ridden like a racehorse. Sex becomes something that is done to her, rather than something in which she is an equal participant.

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:03 AM
I'm sure the philosophical aspects were the last thing on his mind! :D

I'm guessing the producers encourage then to be a bit 'saucy'.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321618)
His role in that joke is one of agency and power, he is the one riding. Her role is one of submission, she is being ridden like a racehorse. Sex becomes something that is done to her, rather than something in which she is an equal participant.
But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:06 AM
Incidentally, I am not slating Dex for making that joke. Sometimes sexist jokes are funny. Not all sexism requires outrage and anger.

I'm just observing that, to my min, that was one of the most, if not the most, sexist comments on that show tonight.

Nor am I saying that Sam was a laugh a minute golden boy. He was very coarse and crude and sexist in the way he assessed all the women according to whether or not he fancied them. But there are degrees of sexism, and to my mind Dexter's joke outstripped Sam's comments in that regard. Though Sam's were coarser and more uncomfortable to listen to.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:07 AM
Lets just all learn to get on and stop with this hate....lets all make love. :D

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321661)
But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:
Not in that joke. And maybe it would have been better had Dexter made the comment that way since the question he was being asked was whether or not she would hook up with a guy. In response he chose to make it about what the guy was going to do. He placed agency with the man in response to a question about what the woman was going to do.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321661)
But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten. :joker:
:laugh3:

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:09 AM
The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321652)
I'm sure the philosophical aspects were the last thing on his mind! :D

I'm guessing the producers encourage then to be a bit 'saucy'.
I agree. I have no problem with what he said in the contextof the BOTS show. But I have no problem with it whilst recognising what the joke is founded upon.

My only problem with this whole thing, is the one sided approach to sexism. It's sexism if it's Sam, but it's not sexism if it's Dexter.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321682)
The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.
Gina must have had a lot on her mind. :(

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6321682)
The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.


None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.

Round on him for being like a fish out of water and not entertaining, sure. Round on him for being very very coarse and crude. But if rounding on him for sexism, also round on Dexter.


Personally, I'd suggest not rounding on either of them. I've heard worse than anything either of them said, out here in the real world.

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6321689)
Gina must have had a lot on her mind. :(
Perhaps, although the break up with Ecksell may have been initiated by her.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321697)
None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.
Again, I just don't think you can put Dexter's joke in the same league as Sam's remarks, just like when the pair of them were in the house.

Some tried to suggest that Dexter's "rodeo" discussion with other HM's where he was explaining what that sexual practice involved was just as bad (if not worse) than Sam's rather offensive comments to women in there.

DanaC 23-08-2013 12:23 AM
Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies :p


We are never going to agree on this.

Videostar 23-08-2013 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 6321765)
Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies :p


We are never going to agree on this.
The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline. :joker:


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.

CaudleHalbard 23-08-2013 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6321826)
The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline. :joker:


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.
Agree on both issues.

Vanessa 23-08-2013 12:39 AM
Dexter was spot on about Courtney. She's making me laugh so much on live feed! :joker:


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