I'm pretty sure it's very relevant because this wouldn''t have happened if it wasn't for them and their ****ed up agenda...I'm pretty sure if it weren't for the Russian militias in the area everyone on that flight would have landed safely....

so yea, it's a pretty important point to mention dude.

Dont be so certain Russia is the cause of this, there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Besides until the facts and gathered and investigations are complete no one should be taking sides in a political slanging match.

We should have more respect for the victims and their families at this sad time.




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What sickened me almost as much as the act of shooting down a civilian plane and then allowing the bodies to lay where they fell for days, was the pictures of the empty camera cases, wallets and purses where the "militia" had robbed the people they'd just killed.

Yes ............it's a sad fact that looting has been widespread, as the debris from this plane covers a very large area.

Not reported much in media but this ghoulish behaviour has been spotted since the day of the crash.




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I am surprised that the rebels did not play their trump card, they could have held on to the bodies and the flight data recorders until the foreign governments persuaded Kiev to capitulate to the rebels and allow them everything they want, so they can join Mother Russia, and to quash any ideas of sanctions against Mother Russia.

I think the "oh ****, what have we done" response overrode any such scheming, they didn't have time to be clever, these aren't generally speaking calculating, trained professionals who are fighting this civil war, it's every day people doing the dirty work. Freedom fighters, if you will. Sad stuff.

"Freedom Fighters" gives them an air of romance that reality denies them.

My guess is that Mother Russia has a very firm hand on their tiller.

Yes but Putin never told them to do this.

No one has ever claimed that he specifically told them to shoot down this specific airliner. No one is saying that.

That doesn't mean that he doesn't have plenty of responsibility for this situation though.

Well i think it has alot to do with Russia since it is a high probability that the Russian military supplied and trained these "seperatists" to use these mobile S.A.M sites.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/0...g-mh17-flight/

4 suspects to be prosecuted for downing MH17 flight

3 of suspects are russian and 1 is ukrainian


this investigation has taken so long, and it's conclusion being what i was already thinking, russian separatists who aide ukrainian rebels in or near crimea


hope the victim's families can now finally get some closure, not very nice of our parliament and the investigation board to bring this up many times and it taking so damn long for them to find out who was responsible

You mean it was not an American CIA Black ops to down a jet, any jet and blame it on the Russians? :shocked:

I thought the proof of that was out there on the internet :bored:

We knew all along. Now the Russians will blame anybody but themselves
Like with Chernobyl which according to the upcoming Russian TV series was the fault of a CIA agent.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...-is-dismissed/

russian MH17 witnesses face deportation after asylum claim is dismissed


Two Russian witnesses in the MH17 case are facing deportation from the Netherlands after the Dutch immigration service turned down their request for asylum.

The couple fled to Amsterdam in 2016 after being harassed by the Russian security services, the Volkskrant reported. Their ordeal is said to have begun when the woman overheard her boss celebrating the downing of the plane in a telephone conversation on the day of the crash.

Nearly 300 people died when the airliner was brought down over Ukraine on July 17, 2014, on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, two-thirds of whom were Dutch citizens.

A joint investigation team (JIT) including Dutch police and prosecutors has concluded it was hit by a BUK missile fired by pro-Russian separatist forces. Three Russian military officers and one Ukrainian are currently on trial in the Netherlands accused of causing the crash and murdering everyone on board.

The couple testified to the JIT in 2019 about a conversation at work on the day of the crash. The woman, given the name ‘Jelena’ by the Volkskrant, said she overheard her manager in his office talking excitedly about a plane crash.

When she later asked him what had happened, he replied that ‘the rebels’ had successfully brought down an aircraft ‘with a Buk missile.’ After it became clear that the plane was a passenger airliner, he told her to forget the conversation.

Embezzlement claims

In subsequent months Jelena’s husband, named as Igor, was accused of embezzling company money, detained in a cell for a weekend and interrogated by agents from the Russian security service FSB.

Jelena was visited at home by security agents who asked about her ex-boyfriend, who was involved in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, and her links to Russian opposition groups. In 2016 the couple flew to Amsterdam and claimed asylum.

The IND dismissed Jelena’s claim partly because she only told Dutch authorities what she knew about MH17 more than two years after arriving in the country. Jelena said she was worried that information she shared with the IND might not be secure.

The official from the JIT also stressed that she should keep the details of her testimony secret, the Volkskrant reported. But an asylum judge upheld the IND’s ruling and said Jelena and Igor should be deported to Russia.

IND ‘ignorance’

Intelligence experts quoted by the newspaper challenged the IND’s judgment that the couple’s story was ‘not credible’, as well as its conclusion that Jelena and Igor were not at risk of persecution by the FSB if they returned home.

‘I recognise all too clearly the naivety, or rather the ignorance, of the Dutch authorities when it comes to understanding these power games,’ an anonymous former intelligence agent said. ‘I suspect there is a real chance that something could happen to this couple even in the Netherlands.’

Another source close to the investigation told the newspaper that it was rational for Jelena to assume that her safety would be jeopardised if she told the IND what she knew about the crash. ‘That story is not safe with the IND,’ the person told the Volkskrant.

The couple’s lawyer is looking to start a new asylum application. The IND and the prosecution service declined to comment on the details of the case.

Yes send them to Russia

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/0...-rights-court/

The European Court of Human Rights held a hearing about Russian culpability for crimes in Eastern Ukraine, including the downing of flight MH17 on Wednesday.

Together with Ukraine, the Netherlands faced off against Russia before the Strasbourg-based rights court over who was in control of the region of Eastern Ukraine in July 2014, when Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down, killing all 298 aboard.

‘My government has committed itself to the pursuit of truth, justice and accountability for the victims of the downing of Flight MH17 and their next of kin,’ Babette Koopman, the Netherlands agent at the court, told the 17-judge panel. The Netherlands filed a complaint with the court in 2020.

Russia has denied any involvement in the crash, instead claiming that the disaster happened in Ukraine territory and was likely committed by the Ukrainian military. ‘We cannot be held responsible for what happened outside our territory,’ said Russian representative Mikhail Vinogradov. The case hinges on whether or not Russia had ‘effective control’ of the area during the time of the crash.

Unlike in the ongoing criminal trial in the Netherlands, where four men have been charged with supplying the Buk missile that prosecutors say shot down the plane, the Russian state itself can be held responsible at the ECHR. The proceedings don’t have an effect on the criminal trial in The Hague, which opened in March 2020 and is ongoing. Prosecutors have asked for a life sentence for all of the men.

The European Convention on Human Rights, which created the court in 1959, allows countries to bring complaints against other states, although such cases are rare. There have only been 20 in the court’s history. Some 8,500 individuals harmed by Russian involvement in Eastern Ukraine, including around 400 brought by the relatives of the people on board the flight.

298 murdered and nothing was done, shame on the EU.

European Court
now to look into this shooting down of this flight

Nickys Netherland
to take it on.