Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7232645)

Again, I never even said that...

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7232668)

you more than inferred it. very fickle, this is pro life is massive massive issue you should treat it more seriously and not get dissuaded by trivialities

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7232748)

No. What I said is I understand the pro-life stance completely. Not to say I agree with it completely, as I lean more towards pro-choice..however I think the limit should be drastically lowered (mind I don't think it would make much difference as most are carried out before 13 weeks anyway) and I disagree with multiple abortions..though I'm not quite sure how we could get around that as again its a case of forcing people to go through pregnancies they do not want. I'm not totally against the idea of sterilization for people who view abortion as a contraceptive and have loads of them actually, but thats another issue entirely.

Dissuaded by trivialities..nothing I read on this forum would EVER change my view, especially on a massive issue like this. My point was more along the line of you don't come across as pro-life at all, more pro-repetitive pretty much copy and pasted drivel. Others can debate about the subject and put their views across well, you just repeat the same thing over and over, and argue against points that noone even made.

So no...not fickle at all.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7232784)

trivial petty attack, a lot of it repetitive too. ill rise above your pettiness and agree that things need to change. 24 week abortions is horrific. the support given to parents is sub standard a point ive made endlessly yet you've deliberately ignored yet again. its this sub standard support in the nhs that's a huge part of the reason we see so many rushed abortions on this unprecedented scale.

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7232861)

I would only allow it for genuine medical reasons or rape victims.In the case of medical reasons the father also needs to be consulted,You can't just go killing a mans child without his consent.Abortion should NOT be used as contraception,That is disgusting.Don't get pregnant if you can't take responsibilty for your child.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7232863)

Really? Eventhough it's the mother who's in medical danger not the father

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7232865)

Sorry,i meant if a disability is detected at a scan.Obviously if the woman is in any danger then she should have the full authority to choose.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 7232866)

ah ok :laugh:

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7232868)

:blush:
I would have probably had a more pro choice view a few years back but since becoming a dad i feel differently.Kids are'nt toys,They are people,Their life should be respected imo.

Originally Posted by Z (Post 7232346)

Yes. I know a girl who's had two abortions - the first time, she was devastated at what she had done and traumatised by the physical pain of it and everyone really felt for her. Then she got pregnant again and went through it a second time and no one felt sorry for her. I sort of feel like if you're just going to be irresponsible, you shouldn't be allowed to have this get out of jail free card of having an abortion whenever you accidentally get knocked up, but there's no way you could ever put some kind of "limit" on how many abortions a person can have because there are so many reasons why a woman might get one... unwanted pregnancy from casual sex, unwanted pregnancy from being raped, something wrong with the foetus... I don't know. It's just too difficult to say firmly either way what's right or wrong.

In the case of the girl I know, if she's irresponsible enough to have gotten pregnant and not wanted it twice (and even then, saying "irresponsible" is quite a loaded term and sounds like only the female is to blame - it takes two to tango... or more than two if you're into that kind of thing) then would she be fit to be a mother? Probably not... but people rise to the occasion. As a man, I don't feel it's my place to have strong views on abortion, it's an experience I will never physically go through and therefore I don't think it's really my business.

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 7233415)

When I was 18 two of my closest friends got pregnant and spoke to my mum about it. For different reasons they both couldn't speak to their own mums. One of them kept the baby, the other didn't. My mum was quite affected by talking to my friend who decided to terminate and said she definitely made the harder decision.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7233366)

Be careful your straying into Richard Dawkins territory...
I didn't say or infer anyone was irresponsible sorry if it sounded like I did, I appreciate there are many contributory factors to the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I only wanted to highlight that it's something that changes you forever I've known 3 women who have aborted a pregnancy and none are the same for it.
You may not physically experience it, I haven't yet we can still have an opinion and be empathic can't we?