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joeysteele 30-12-2014 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchAngel (Post 7439106)
'My' hero?...
Is he my hero?

I cannot recall you ever saying or indicating he was Kizzy.
I really,really admire your patience but once insults fly, take on board that those throwing the insults are losing the argument really.

Kizzy 15-04-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7437021)
I think there has for a long time been a collaboration between the tories and UKIP, they are looking to be the next coalition that's why their MPs are interchangable.

Called it.....

'The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, has declared that he will try to work with David Cameron if possible to block a Labour government supported by the Scottish National party. These are Farage’s strongest comments yet signalling that he wants to prop up a Conservative administration in exchange for an immediate vote on the EU and higher defence spending.

With just 23 days to go before voters go to the polls, the minor parties are now being more explicit about which others they might work with and what their conditions might be.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-snp-coalition

Crimson Dynamo 15-04-2015 07:34 PM

cameron and farage coalition

:flutter:

MTVN 15-04-2015 07:41 PM

No more a collaboration than Labour and the SNP/Plaid/Greens really though

Kizzy 15-04-2015 07:47 PM

I don't get what you mean MTVN sorry.

MTVN 15-04-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7702126)
I don't get what you mean MTVN sorry.

Well you said there will have been a collaboration between the Tories and Ukip for a long time but this doesn't prove that, no more than the comments of the SNP/Plaid/Green prove that Labour have been in a collaboration with those three for a long time

The Conservatives best chance of being back in government remains in renewing the Lib Dem coalition and hoping they both do better than expected with enough seats to form a majority. The better Ukip do the less chance there will be of that happening and I can't see a Tory-Lib Dem-Ukip deal working really

Vicky. 15-04-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7702144)
Well you said there will have been a collaboration between the Tories and Ukip for a long time but this doesn't prove that, no more than the comments of the SNP/Plaid/Green prove that Labour have been in a collaboration with those three for a long time

The Conservatives best chance of being back in government remains in renewing the Lib Dem coalition and hoping they both do better than expected with enough seats to form a majority. The better Ukip do the less chance there will be of that happening and I can't see a Tory-Lib Dem-Ukip deal working really

Jesus, hasnt clegg already screwed the lib dems enough, if he sticks for a second term his party will be completely dead in the water D:

the truth 15-04-2015 07:57 PM

farage is going to win millions of votes....trust me

joeysteele 15-04-2015 08:06 PM

I don't think anyone has ever had much doubt that UKIP would do a deal with the Conservatives.

Nigel Farage I think genuinely expected Ed Miliband to also promise a referendum,which would have opened other doors for UKIP with Labour, Ed Miliband however has stayed true to his stance on the EU and doesn't want uncertainty for a number of years as to a referendum,which could affect businesses and investment.

So really, Nigel Farage only has Cameron,who I do also really believe that Farage actually trusts less than Miliband,to get any chance of a referendum.
So of course UKIP would do a deal with the Conservatives,however were Cameron to do a deal with UKIP,then he could find he splits the Conservative party even more.
There are Conservative MPs who want nothing whatsoever to do with UKIP and I feel sure some would not support any arrangement with UKIP and Nigel Farage.

Farage is entitled to his view on Labour and the SNP,by the same token I hope the SNP can by supporting Labour in a hung parliament bring about the exclusion of a Conservative govt; let alone one supported by UKIP.

I still don't think it will arise however,I still see the Lib Dems winning at least 17 seats,I don't see UKIP getting more than 5 really.
The Lib Dems for sure could never support a govt; that had the support too of UKIP, so it's a hard one for Nigel Farage.

Also with the prediction still at this time that Labour and the Conservatives could have around 280 seats each and the SNP something like 47 to 50,then in all fact, neither the Conservatives or Labour in that scenario could govern without the SNP on board in some way.

Kizzy 15-04-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7702144)
Well you said there will have been a collaboration between the Tories and Ukip for a long time but this doesn't prove that, no more than the comments of the SNP/Plaid/Green prove that Labour have been in a collaboration with those three for a long time

The Conservatives best chance of being back in government remains in renewing the Lib Dem coalition and hoping they both do better than expected with enough seats to form a majority. The better Ukip do the less chance there will be of that happening and I can't see a Tory-Lib Dem-Ukip deal working really

It doesn't prove anything no but as UKIP policies on many things as well as their MPs are eerily similar if not a little further right than the conservatives I feel this whole issue has been orchestrated to lead perfectly to this moment...
Over the last year or so the media have thrust Farage and UKIP into our morning paper and evening news at every given opportunity, every faux pas was excused, glossed over or laughed off, he was given accolades he didn't deserve (man of the year).
I find it impossible to believe that this is a coincidence, and I believe right from the get go UKIP was only ever the conservatives MK2.

Vicky. 15-04-2015 08:08 PM

Maybe they should all just go into a coalition. I can see it now...

Cons: Ed I will allow your 90% tax on millionaires (MPs excluded) if you allow me to boil the unemployed and disabled in boiling lager with fag ends in it.
UKIP: Best Add in those foreigners, only way I will agree
SNP: Will make quite handy compost, I'm on board aslong as we can send the goods to Scotland instead of wasting it on these English and Welsh bastards
Greens: As long as the trees are unharmed
Lib Dem: Whatever you all want...I'm just going along with it all for a slight bit of power.

smudgie 15-04-2015 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7702208)
Maybe they should all just go into a coalition. I can see it now...

Cons: Ed I will allow your 90% tax on millionaires (MPs excluded) if you allow me to boil the unemployed and disabled in boiling lager with fag ends in it.
UKIP: Best Add in those foreigners, only way I will agree
SNP: Will make quite handy compost, I'm on board aslong as we can send the goods to Scotland instead of wasting it on these English and Welsh bastards
Greens: As long as the trees are unharmed
Lib Dem: Whatever you all want...I'm just going along with it all for a slight bit of power.

:laugh::laugh: Yep, I can see it all now.

Kizzy 15-04-2015 08:22 PM

:joker: that sound scarily doable!

the truth 15-04-2015 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7702208)
Maybe they should all just go into a coalition. I can see it now...

Cons: Ed I will allow your 90% tax on millionaires (MPs excluded) if you allow me to boil the unemployed and disabled in boiling lager with fag ends in it.
UKIP: Best Add in those foreigners, only way I will agree
SNP: Will make quite handy compost, I'm on board aslong as we can send the goods to Scotland instead of wasting it on these English and Welsh bastards
Greens: As long as the trees are unharmed
Lib Dem: Whatever you all want...I'm just going along with it all for a slight bit of power.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry :laugh::bawling:

user104658 15-04-2015 10:17 PM

Not sure it's really a surprise. UKIP simply = Tories that were too outwardly racist to be in a mainstream party... no?

the truth 15-04-2015 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7702683)
Not sure it's really a surprise. UKIP simply = Tories that were too outwardly racist to be in a mainstream party... no?

farage is not racist

Kizzy 15-04-2015 10:29 PM

Who said he was?

the truth 15-04-2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7702714)
Who said he was?

I just said he isn't

user104658 15-04-2015 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7702710)
farage is not racist

Ok.

empire 16-04-2015 02:46 AM

do we have to live in a society, that controls are opinion of words, there's one word for that is,mind control programming, people are afraid to say what they think, and we are suppose to be a free country, I mean katie hopkins tweets what she says,and people want the police to put her in a cell, people in this country think the word chink is far worse that the sickest crimes that happen in are country.

Crimson Dynamo 16-04-2015 07:24 AM

the years of one party winning are over. welcome to euro politics

user104658 16-04-2015 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 7702932)
do we have to live in a society, that controls are opinion of words, there's one word for that is,mind control programming, people are afraid to say what they think, and we are suppose to be a free country, I mean katie hopkins tweets what she says,and people want the police to put her in a cell, people in this country think the word chink is far worse that the sickest crimes that happen in are country.

I don't think it's worse than the sickest crimes, I don't think anyone does, that's somewhat ridiculous hyperbole.

I do however think that using words like "chink" is casually racist, or I suppose, more accurately, I think that people who casually use words like "chink" as if it's any normal throwaway term are utter arseholes. Satire / comedy is different and has its place.

I don't believe in censorship so I wouldn't censor them or make it a legal issue, but I do fully support anyone who wants nothing to do with that sort of person, and I certainly don't think they belong anywhere near any sort of political power or influence. They are bigots. Pure and simple. Maybe not the biggest or worst in the world, but bigots nonetheless.

Nedusa 16-04-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7702158)
farage is going to win millions of votes....trust me

Amen to that...........

joeysteele 16-04-2015 11:17 AM

Well that is expected that UKIP will win millions of votes,what quantity of millions is the real issue.

With just 10% of the vote,if the same numbers vote that voted in 2010, he would have something like 3,000,000 votes but no seats.

Even with 20% of the votes and around 6,000,000 votes cast,he would be hard pressed to win 7/8 seats.

The mountain he has to climb is that he needs Labour and the Conservatives way down in the lower 30s and himself on around 24% to be likely of any breakthrough as to just double figures of seats won.

That is the challenge of this electoral 'first past the post system', grossly unfair that it can be most of the time.

user104658 16-04-2015 12:35 PM

Exactly. He could get a few million votes and still have no seats at all, if those votes are spread out across the whole country.


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