Myths

There have been myths surrounding the use of the brace procedure. One is that adopting the brace procedure is only useful for preserving dental integrity for identification after a crash; another myth is that the position is designed to increase the chance of death to reduce insurance-paid medical cost. These myths have been debunked with evidence that the brace position "does indeed work to preserve lives in an air disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brace_position

Which one? The rules on the brace position change, and the advice differs depending on where in the aircraft you are seated.

http://www.casa.gov.au/WCMSWR/_asset...s/brace_b2.gif

http://www.casa.gov.au/WCMSWR/_asset...//brace_w2.gif

http://www.warman.demon.co.uk/anna/brace.gif

This is why you should read the safety card and watch the demo each trip

Why is it that most business class have airbags?

Because they shouldn't be expected to bend over and kiss their ar*e goodbye? :laugh:

They have found a a Doctors Note saying he should not fly.
it was ripped up.


This German budget airline
has let this Evil man
get through their testing

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...7413009024.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...7413008544.jpg
Good Luck with that Fella
he was a Crazy and Evil.

'Bullet proof reinforced door'?

'Door lock keypad over-ride'?

So terrorism IS responsible for this tragedy then - even if it was indirectly.

Yes

I suppose, indirectly, that's right Kirk.

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-720x960.jpg

Indirectly.. so you are citing terrorism as the cause of this?

That is ridiculous, let's see if it's brought up in court.

No its not the cause
the Crazy/Evil Pilot had sick notes saying no flying
but ripped them up

In future all doctors sick notes
should go to the Airline as well


bloody stupid Germany

Ridiculous? How is it ridiculous?

If terrorism did not exist then the door would not have been reinforced and bullet proof, and there would have been no internal override of the external keypad access facility.

So INDIRECTLY terrorism IS to blame for this tragedy.

Arista and Livia had no difficulty understanding the point I made and agreeing with it. Why are you always so different?

Don't worry Arista, Kizzy knows full well that I never said terrorism was THE cause, but only that INDIRECTLY it was the cause, because she even starts her response with the word; "INDIRECTLY". :shrug:

I'm used to misrepresentation by now. :laugh:

it is the root cause as kirk has told you

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...7413009226.jpg
Meanwhile another body is lifted out

Yes once you used that
you are Correct
Maybe Kizzy missed it?

Whilst our hearts go out to the victims of this...those killed and family and friends left to grieve; imagine how awful this must be for the co-pilots family.

It makes you wonder if the guy was having schizophrenic thoughts to do what he did.

Because I have a mind of my own, and I don't feel you can apply that logic otherwise you could suggest that many events of the past have a knock on effect on what happens in the future.
Nothing else directly or indirectly can be applied for me.
This horrible event due to the actions of a mentally unstable young man, he is directly responsible and that is the bottom line.

Yes, you are right he was wholly responsible, however, I made the same point as Kirk is now earlier in this thread. If we hadn't had the 9/11 event, the captain would have been able to open the door. We don't live in a perfect world, and the minimum of 2 in the cockpit will be another step forward until some future event occurs that changes things again. We can approximate to a perfect world, we can never achieve it. Everything has knock on effects and consequences. As Niamh said earlier, its still better to have a locking cockpit than not.

LOL! Oh Kirk, I was really depressed reading this thread until your post, I properly guffawed. Only you could manage to make the actions of a deranged German man the fault of EvilMooslims. I mean, yes, OK, these safety measures are in place because of the events of 9/11 but "blaming" the entire incident on those safety measures is... a stretch, at best. If anything the safety measures are simply sensible, and should have been in place long BEFORE 9/11. Nothing to do with terrorism really. They should have been in place because ... well ... because giant chunks of metal full of people, hurtling through the air, should have limited access to the controls.

Agree, however as I understand it the door to the cockpit could always be locked from the inside it just never was pre 911, so taking 911 out of the equation, this guy could still have locked the door, unless they managed to get through the door and rectifiy the descent in 8 minutes they were still doomed.

..yeah this is what I was thinking as well, his parents are having to struggle with the death of their son plus the thought that he took all of those lives from their families..this is horrendous for them...

My husband said that the authorities (in Germany??) heard what happened. Apparently the pilot left the co-pilot in charge while he went to the loo. When he came back the door lock had been disabled and he couldn't get back into the cockpit. They could hear the pilot and others trying to break down the door and that was when the plane started to go down and into the mountain.
No-one seems to know whether the co pilot wanted to commit suicide and take the whole lot with him or whether he had a heart attack and couldn't do anything. All that was heard before the pounding on the door, was the co pilot breathing.