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Headie 23-05-2015 08:52 PM

Raph and Troy in agreement for once :worship:

Great posts from both of them

Marsh. 23-05-2015 09:02 PM

Just seems the go to excuse when people's favourites aren't liked as much as they'd want them to be.

Just as I could easily say it's positive discrimination that people love and get all "yasssssss" the moment a black woman with an attitude appears on any TV show.

Headie 23-05-2015 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7800448)
First off, terrific post by Pete, I love discussions like this brought to the table.

I actually agree with Pete entirely. People of color, in particular women of color face the hardest time in Big Brother - through casting, in the house and through the way in which the public perceive them.

In terms of casting, the type-casting we get is ridiculous. The amount of 'sassy'/'feisty' black women we get, to begin with, shows how casting is limiting that group of people to such a small bracket of personality. It's the same with gay people. I can't remember the last gay person who defied stereotypes of flamboyance being cast into the house. Casting in a similar way every year, is inevitably going to influence those housemates' experience in the house, as the public already assume things about housemates, on the basis of their race, gender or sexuality. I'd say the issue of casting with Asian women is even worse. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe Deana was the only Asian women cast over the course of BB on channel 5?

Next, we get to how they're treated in the house. Let's begin with Deana and her relationship with Conor, Ashleigh etc. They all despised her, yet could never explain why. Let's look at Hira - she had an entirely harmless VT, yet was boo'ed into the house quite badly. Or perhaps let's look at BBlock dynamics in BB9 - A ginger, an Asian woman, a Welsh woman, and two black men. The other side of the house that excluded them earlier on? Jennifer, Bex, Luke, Dale, Dennis were all white, British people. Yes Sylvia was also part of that group but then who out of them was evicted first? The woman of color. Out of Bblock who managed to win? The white woman. Yes, you could argue that it was entirely due to personality but i'm going to disagree here.

I think consciously, yes people evict people on Big Brother because they are not fond of their personality. However, it's the subconscious institutional racism that is most powerful to me, in this case. Structures of society have built a hierarchy largely divided up by gender and ethnicity. As a result, unfortunately there is a subconscious superiority associated with white people on Big Brother, allowing them to behave in the same way as people of color, with fewer negative consequences. As much as we like to say racism is a thing of the past, it's very much not so. Subconscious racism such as institutional racism is the hardest form of racism to tackle, as it's far less obvious. The fact that white males constitute of the majority of winners exemplifies that in a pretty clear way.

Anyways, to finish off, I think the Big Brother experience is considerably more difficult for people of color (particularly women, but not exclusively) as they face conscious as well as subconscious discrimination on three different levels - casting, house dynamics and public perception.

This is literally the best post you've ever made :clap1:

Raph 23-05-2015 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 7800776)
This is literally the best post you've ever made :clap1:

Thanks man :) And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!

Headie 23-05-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7800837)
Thanks man :) And thanks to Pete for starting off this really productive discussion!

This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda

Raph 23-05-2015 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 7800903)
This reminds of BBCAN when Naeha was targeted just for looking like Neda

Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

Headie 23-05-2015 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7800961)
Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

Preach it sista

AarynGriesFan shade?

Raph 23-05-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 7801108)
Preach it sista

AarynGriesFan shade?

Drag ha :wink:

Marsh. 23-05-2015 10:26 PM

Have they done away with the cheesy "________ calling" thing they'd start off with? :laugh:

Marsh. 23-05-2015 10:27 PM

Oops wrong thread. :hee:

bots 23-05-2015 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7801667)
Oops wrong thread. :hee:

**** off back to euro trash :smug:

Marsh. 23-05-2015 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7801675)
**** off back to euro trash :smug:

Reported.

Mystic Mock 24-05-2015 04:35 AM

Is it just me as well who thought that Adjoa wasn't a stereotype?

Mystic Mock 24-05-2015 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7800961)
Oh absolutely. Naeha was an intelligent, independent woman of color. Of course that was going to be more threatening than any equivalent or even intellectually superior white man.

I mean i'd definitely say racism in Big Brother is not exclusive to BBUK. Take a look at Big Brother 15 USA - this series literally exemplified very active racism. The treatment of Candice by Aryan, Gina Marie and Spencer etc was absolutely disgusting. And yet, Aryan is still viewed as an 'idol' (it's unbelievable), by some people.

I liked Aaryn.:blush:

I'm blaming it on the blonde hair though.

Pete. 24-05-2015 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7802685)
I liked Aaryn.:blush:

I'm blaming it on the blonde hair though.

How? :omgno:

Pete. 24-05-2015 06:36 AM

Thank you for a great and articulate post Raph :clap1:

It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public

Mystic Mock 24-05-2015 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7802718)
How? :omgno:

God was unfair with the visual.:joker:

Pete. 24-05-2015 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7802724)
God was unfair with the visual.:joker:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g7zNRyv-Rv...Y/s400/mvp.gif

Vicky. 24-05-2015 01:44 PM

I didn't like Adjoa tbh but it was more the OTT sex talk and tbh sometimes it came across as forced too :shrug:

I wanted Sarah saved, but wasn't too arsed between the other two. In hindsight though it does seem to have been the right choice

As for this

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she was just very open about her sexuality; SO WHAT? Obviously on this occasion it IS a race thing and it's mortifying.
I completely disagree. There is being open with your sexuality, and there is being a sleaze and just TRYING to shock with the things you come out with. I seriously doubt anyone would be fine with the guys talking like that. I mean...on being asked what part of a girl attracts you first..answer pussy? Really? **** off...

Macie Lightfoot 24-05-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7803434)
I seriously doubt anyone would be fine with the guys talking like that. I mean...on being asked what part of a girl attracts you first..answer pussy? Really? **** off...

OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

Pete. 24-05-2015 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7803761)
OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

And Biannca was hated for sex talk

Marsh. 24-05-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7802719)
Thank you for a great and articulate post Raph :clap1:

It remained me of BB6 when the white people (Anthony, Saskia, Maxwell, Craig etc) segregated themselves from the minority housemates who were largely in the majority that year. Yet Anthony won and Makosi received terrible treatment from the public

Was Anthony a delusional weirdo who pretended he got impregnated by a finger?

Cherie 24-05-2015 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7803761)
OK but Winston rapped about poontang with Marlon and was loved

Wasn't he booted out as soon as he was up?

Pete. 24-05-2015 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7803776)
Was Anthony a delusional weirdo who pretended he got impregnated by a finger?

He was vicious bully tho

Marsh. 24-05-2015 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7803788)
He was vicious bully tho

A vicious bully of who?

And to be fair, any of the 16 housemates from BB6 was at one point or another a horrible person. Any winner that series would've been a bit "Huh".

Well, maybe everyone except Eugene.


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