Owen Jones - Toby Young
last night on Ch4HDnews

Video Here Very Dramatic Last Word by Toby
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_7975666.html

Michael Crick (of Ch4news)on Twitter
[Toby Young is now on #C4News saying
he tried to vote in leadership
ballot confine Lab to oblivion.
His father wrote Labour's 1945 manifesto]

Feck Me

Mark Steele (a left winger)
was stopped from voting for Corbyn
in todays Independent paper.

Ref: Ch5HD : papers review Live


who is in charge of blocking people
Burnham?


Democracy In Labour Party - having trouble finding it.

Jack Straw does not
know what Jeremy is thinking.


http://news.sky.com/video/1535144/co...ugh-for-leader


The more they attack him
the more they get more backers for him

Ch4HD News Live
was due to Speak Live but he has not come
of his Mega Rally in Scotland

So Live we have a Loser Liz Kendal
in 4rth place
who said she knows he is in the lead
but will not stand down


If he gets so much on the First Vote
that 2nd vote will not be needed



Utter Bliss

over the last 2 days I have had the misfortune to listen to long interviews with the 3 other candidates and frankly they are bloody awful


and i mean awful


Even the bloke one (I forget his name) was monstered by of all people Jeremy Vine today

as for Kendall and the other lady - smh ...please no

its a sh1tfest

Labour are basically fecked!If he(Corbyn) wins they could split.

Yes Kendall
makes up stuff on the fly
no wonder she is Bottom of the 3 Tory Lites

No Split
this time just be Angry back benchers
after the Mega Change

I could'nt see him winning a GE with his policies unless by 2020 the geo-political situation has changed dramatically.All his good policies would be over shadowed by his irresponsible ones(in the current climate).The world is not getting any safer and immigration is not getting any better.The type of country that Corbyn dreams of just is'nt feasable in the world we live in.I also believe that suppose the Torries do get us out of the deficit that he would put us right back in it again and in the more likely event that they don't then he would not do anything to help get the country back on its feet but would put us in even more hot water.I'm no Tory by any means but the country does'nt currently need airy fairy policies but realistic ones.Corbyn imo is too far left for us now.We don't live in his world.

I am not Sure of That
I have seen so many young people who do not
do Politics, back him.
Even in Scotland - Right Now


Burnham will be his Deputy leader.



E. Cooper
L.Kendal.
Angry Back Benchers

Speak for yourself, I think a lurch to the left is long overdue.... Where's it written that is has to be bad for business to be left leaning, that seems to be the only argument they have on the right of the party.

Young people don't make up the majority of the vote though.Also they will have had time to grow up abit by 2020 and become more realistic:laugh:

Because although a lot of his ideas seem nice and would be in an ideal world,Imo we are not in that world yet and the economy imo is not ready for a hard anti-austerity approach(which is what it would be and what he would need to displace the Tories with the hard left vote)He would scare businesses off.Unfortunately chasing unscrupulous companies for tax and increasing tax on the rich too much can have an adverse effect when they take their business elsewhere.That has imo to be phased in as the country gets more stable.Realism over idealism.
I think a leader with more realistic aspirations will fayre(fair?)better.

Yes so he has got a Busy 4 and bit years.


Corbyn Vs Osborne in 2020 for PM
who would you back?

Neither:laugh:

I think after the Tories have finished squeezing us as hard as they can then a more centre ground realist Labour leader could win.I think Corbyn could be too far left.Specially if there is still an issue with immigration and global threats such as Russia and ISIS/Other terrorist groups.Those issues could sway in favour of the Torries over a Corbyn lead Labour party.

Andy Burnham cannot be his deputy leader if Jeremy Corbyn won.

There is a separate election for deputy leader too going on.

Whoever wins this, will have the next 3 years only to be showing how strong and good a leader they are,if Labour is stuck in the doldrums, then another leadership election will be triggered,most likely when David Cameron stands down as Conservative leader.

In fact,I just about really believe now, that whoever wins this is only a sort of caretaker leader anyway, the hope being that Dan Jarvis or Chukka Ummunah may well throw up a challenge in around 3 years time, after the EU referendum.

Corbyn For the next election

I say.

More Tory Lite
Joey

That may well be true, I disagree with that view,however for sure Dan Hodges would walk a leadership election and I think Chukka would do really well too.

A lot will change in 3 years,whoever wins this in September, has to really have Labour in a strong winning position in 3 years to have any hope at all of staying on as leader.

That makes sense.You could be right there.

Yes Joey
from the First page
He has done so well
he will Win with a Massive amount.

He has a Vision to get Industry Going.

Undoubtedly, he has opened up the debate of this leadership election and also made it a real contest.

I get infuriated by other Labour party members who say he shouldn't win,he has every right to stand and win if the eligible party supporters deciding same vote for him.
I will probably not be voting for him because I really do not believe that he can reach the voters of the South particularly that Labour will need at least more of to win an election.

However, he could begin to help the pulling back of support in Scotland,his message as to policies, reaches many there.
Politics is unpredictable and odd most of the time,it could quite easily be his message is the one that stands out in 2020 and somehow gets the turnaround as to votes.

Full credit to him however, for opening up this leadership election and not making it one where everyone is careful of what they say or worse still being only a stage managed affair.

Yes at the last Election Cameron
went off script and started swearing
at the Miliband and Russel Brand.


It was great
thats what we need.

Jeremy is Tougher
than the 3 Tory Lites