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Lostie! 06-02-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8498334)
Well only one other person responded (and nowhere near as dramatically either) so it can't have been that provocative can it? Maybe you were just looking for an argument, yes I think that's it :think:

Well then you need to "think" again. I responded in the way I did because you said "people" (without even bothering to specify whether you meant all or some of those "people") who take issue with such frequent accusations of racism are guilty of either racism or turning a blind eye to racism themselves and it happens to be a topic I feel strongly about, considering I'm mixed race and have been on the receiving end of the very thing you saw fit to accuse a group of people (of which I was one of) of being guilty of.

As I said, it's just another of an increasing amount of examples of people feeling perfectly content with accusing people they know nothing about of being racist and it's absolutely shameful (and, contrary to what you think, certainly does trivialise the issue).

I don't give a damn how many or few responded, that doesn't make it any less provocative and if you don't like being asked to answer for and actually explain the claims you make, don't bother making them in the first place or at least attempt to word them better.

hot2go 06-02-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 8498387)
You're completely changing the topic of discussion here so I have no clue what to respond.

What does this have to do with a black woman never winning this show?

I'm doing no such thing....you say the show is racist and only for white people and I'm telling you that it's not about black and white, it's about being diverse and including anyone, not making special dispensation only for black people...I proved how diverse the show is by listing the many different backgrounds within it....you on the other hand have yet to say anything to constitute your claims that I can take seriouslly.... As far as I'm concerned there is only one race, the human race...in all its colours and it's differences...Not just BLACK and WHITE...I don't think any views I have can be perceived as racist....as for yours, i can only reflect on how they come across to me and you know the answer to that.

Vicky. 06-02-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Sam~ (Post 8498353)
oh @ people saying it's because they pick the aggressive black females are we all forgetting half a year ago when Adjoa was evicted first and booed for no reason and she was probably one of the most innocent hms in recent times

Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

LukeB 06-02-2016 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8498462)
Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

saying pussy and having a filthy mouth is no excuse to go "OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF" "boooooooooo" her reaction was really OTT, they sounded aggressive towards her.

Vicky. 06-02-2016 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8498469)
saying pussy and having a filthy mouth is no excuse to go "OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF" "boooooooooo" her reaction was really OTT, they sounded aggressive towards her.

They off off off everyone, and its rare to NOT get booed these days unfortunately :S

hot2go 06-02-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8498462)
Adjoa was seriously ****ing annoying and had a filthy mouth, was obsessed with 'pussy' from what I remember. I don't know where all of this 'she was great and did nothing wrong has come from' :umm2:

Totally agree....I liked her at first, she was a fellow Brummie from what I recall...but her constantly talking about pussy and her childish sulking because she had been nominated were exactly why people in and out of the house voted her off....I do believe that despite what Rylan thinks, there are a lot of people who went off Tiffany for the same reason and that contributed to her coming fourth...too Vulger in the last week....puts some people off...was def why Adjoa got booted.

Ironically when a man spoke like that, Ken Moorley, he was thrown out of the house for it....I don't hear the ' it's not fare ' police on here fighting his corner over that injustice

Jack_ 06-02-2016 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8498413)
Well then you need to "think" again. I responded in the way I did because you said "people" (without even bothering to specify whether you meant all or some of those "people") who take issue with such frequent accusations of racism are guilty of either racism or turning a blind eye to racism themselves and it happens to be a topic I feel strongly about, considering I'm mixed race and have been on the receiving end of the very thing you saw fit to accuse a group of people (of which I was one of) of being guilty of.

As I said, it's just another of an increasing amount of examples of people feeling perfectly content with accusing people they know nothing about of being racist and it's absolutely shameful (and, contrary to what you think, certainly does trivialise the issue).

I don't give a damn how many or few responded, that doesn't make it any less provocative and if you don't like being asked to answer for and actually explain the claims you make, don't bother making them in the first place or at least attempt to word them better.

I shouldn't have to specify, if I say 'people' and you take that to mean every person that's ever existed ever then that's your problem :shrug: I still stand by what I said, but I will change the wording now for you if it's so incredibly difficult to surmise what I most likely meant: some people don't like the thread title being pointed out because they either know it's true, or worse, are guilty of it themselves. Hopefully this puts such a ridiculous discussion to bed because it should be quite obvious that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone, it's a turn of phrase that has common usage and not many people genuinely think it applies to all. When I say 'people don't like argumentative housemates' I cannot possibly mean everyone because quite clearly some people do. The same would apply here and in other instances of the use of the word 'people'. I am not about to overthink every word I use in every sentence I ever construct just to be absolutely sure that already blindingly obvious meanings are evident to everyone that reads them, that should go without saying. Such incessant self analysis of semantics would be akin to those who go around saying 'in your opinion' implying people need to write 'IMO' at the end of everything they post on a forum just to be absolutely clear that, shock horror, their post is their bloody opinion. It all goes without saying, quite frankly. And now you've managed to involve me in a discussion of semantics after all so congratulations on that.

Funnily enough I was actually accused of racism on here once before, and on another occasion someone insinuated as much, so to make out I have no idea of the seriousness of such accusations when I've been on the receiving end of them is silly. The difference is in those instances there was no evidence to support the claims, they didn't even make out they had any evidence and they most certainly did not know anything about me. I, however, believe there is evidence to justify the claims I am making. It is not widespread and it does in no way apply to every member of this forum, nor every single viewer of this show, but it does exist.

I couldn't care less who wishes to respond to my posts, I'm merely pointing out that it can't have been that provocative if only one person kicked up a fuss over it (queue more people doing so now or something) and that as you've already said, there isn't much point in us continuing this discussion (or most other ones to be quite frank) as we aren't going to agree. Feel free to continue and I will respond, but it seems a bit bizarre to say that and then continue replying?

MrWong 06-02-2016 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8498505)
Totally agree....I liked her at first, she was a fellow Brummie from what I recall...but her constantly talking about pussy and her childish sulking because she had been nominated were exactly why people in and out of the house voted her off....I do believe that despite what Rylan thinks, there are a lot of people who went off Tiffany for the same reason and that contributed to her coming fourth...too Vulger in the last week....puts some people off...was def why Adjoa got booted.

Ironically when a man spoke like that, Ken Moorley, he was thrown out of the house for it....I don't hear the ' it's not fare ' police on here fighting his corner over that injustice

Wasn't he thrown out for his story about Frank Bruno? Calling him a n***o. Which was after he'd already called Alexander O'Neal a 'nice big fat n***o'.

Lostie! 06-02-2016 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8498519)
I shouldn't have to specify, if I say 'people' and you take that to mean every person that's ever existed ever then that's your problem :shrug: I still stand by what I said, but I will change the wording now for you if it's so incredibly difficult to surmise what I most likely meant: some people don't like the thread title being pointed out because they either know it's true, or worse, are guilty of it themselves. Hopefully this puts such a ridiculous discussion to bed because it should be quite obvious that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone, it's a turn of phrase that has common usage and not many people genuinely think it applies to all. When I say 'people don't like argumentative housemates' I cannot possibly mean everyone because quite clearly some people do. The same would apply here and in other instances of the use of the word 'people'. I am not about to overthink every word I use in every sentence I ever construct just to be absolutely sure that already blindingly obvious meanings are evident to everyone that reads them, that should go without saying. Such incessant self analysis of semantics would be akin to those who go around saying 'in your opinion' implying people need to write 'IMO' at the end of everything they post on a forum just to be absolutely clear that, shock horror, their post is their bloody opinion. It all goes without saying, quite frankly. And now you've managed to involve me in a discussion of semantics after all so congratulations on that.

This reminds me of the people who go around insulting people and then say "Well you chose to be insulted, not my fault". Of course you should have to specify if you insist on making such strong claims and accusations in such a broad, generalised manner. It's not even slightly comparable to the "in my opinion" example.

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8498519)
Funnily enough I was actually accused of racism on here once before, and on another occasion someone insinuated as much, so to make out I have no idea of the seriousness of such accusations when I've been on the receiving end of them is silly. The difference is in those instances there was no evidence to support the claims, they didn't even make out they had any evidence and they most certainly did not know anything about me. I, however, believe there is evidence to justify the claims I am making. It is not widespread and it does in no way apply to every member of this forum, nor every single viewer of this show, but it does exist.

Thanks for the clarification that I so unreasonably sought. :)

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8498519)
I couldn't care less who wishes to respond to my posts, I'm merely pointing out that it can't have been that provocative if only one person kicked up a fuss over it (queue more people doing so now or something) and that as you've already said, there isn't much point in us continuing this discussion (or most other ones to be quite frank) as we aren't going to agree. Feel free to continue and I will respond, but it seems a bit bizarre to say that and then continue replying?

I replied again because you decided to make an inaccurate assumption as to why I responded as strongly as I did even after I'd already stated why I feel so strongly on the issue. Since I actually have an iota of self respect I wanted to set you straight on that. Nothing bizarre about that. I stand by the fact that we have nothing more to say to each other on the issue of racism playing a significant role in BB results, but if you're going to misrepresent me I will gladly continue to respond and reaffirm the actual facts.

ScottyT 06-02-2016 05:28 PM

A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

LukeB 06-02-2016 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyT (Post 8498568)
A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg

Vicky. 06-02-2016 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8498575)
this female was genuinely nice and lovely aka a decent human being.. gets evicted (On Vote To Evict)
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/rachel1.jpg

I have no idea who this is :conf:

Lostie! 06-02-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyT (Post 8498568)
A black woman could win this show if they show the public they are a decent human being - none have done it so far.

Plenty have been decent (which itself isn't exactly criteria for winning nowadays when people like Helen Wood are doing it).

arista 06-02-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayden (Post 8495696)
And that's a fact.


Thats not true.
We need a UK Black Lady
next time

LukeB 06-02-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8498582)
I have no idea who this is :conf:

Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.

Vicky. 06-02-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8498583)
Plenty have been decent (which itself isn't exactly criteria for winning nowadays when people like Helen Wood are doing it).

Cmon, Helen ius an exception to the rule surely. She would never have been anywhere near the final without the pass and some still think she only won as part of a betting scam.

No other winner has been as horrendous as Helen. Infact usually its the quiet 'nice' ones that win in the end :(

This is on normal BB. Celeb BB comes down to how many fans you have pre-show usually it seems

Vicky. 06-02-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8498587)
Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.

Still don't remember her :S

Cal. 06-02-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason. (Post 8498261)
Adjoa being verbally abused and bullied by the fat chavs in the crowd still haunts me :worry: </3

That was horrible. Even Emma picked up on that and she usually ignores crowd chanting which shows how obvious it was in that instance.

I don't think people think outright 'ugh she's black I hate her' it's just the stereotype/stigma a black female has.

hot2go 06-02-2016 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 8498524)
Wasn't he thrown out for his story about Frank Bruno? Calling him a n***o. Which was after he'd already called Alexander O'Neal a 'nice big fat n***o'.

I don't believe so...I think he was told that his use of the word was out dated and is offensive now to others and was told to stop with immediate effect...
He was thrown out for inappropriate language regarding his attraction to the young female housemates....just like Tiffany...,in fact he merely said he liked being around the girls when they were in the bathroom...Tiffany actually looked at the naked body of another housemate and made sexual remarks about it.

MrWong 06-02-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8498600)
I don't believe so...I think he was told that his use of the word was out dated and is offensive now to others and was told to stop with immediate effect...
He was thrown out for inappropriate language regarding his attraction to the young female housemates....just like Tiffany...,in fact he merely said he liked being around the girls when they were in the bathroom...Tiffany actually looked at the naked body of another housemate and made sexual remarks about it.

Pretty sure it was the fact he repeated the word n***o after already being warned about using the word to describe Alexander.

The girls didn't like being stared at in the bathroom.

Scotty T encouraged Tiff and loved the attention.

Comparing the two situations is daft.

ScottyT 06-02-2016 06:00 PM

Why does a black woman need to win it anyway? You win it if you get the most votes. This thread is so pointless.

Pete. 06-02-2016 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 8498587)
Rachel from BB11 she was a newbie.

Enigma Rachel :worship:

Kazanne 06-02-2016 06:08 PM

From what I have seen of the UK version,the black women they decide to put in have all been mouthy,uncouth , Tiffany was probably the best of the bunch.I'm sure if they chose better we would see a black woman win,why is it so important anyway ? Colour doesn't really come into it,it is also NOT the reason she lost.

Jack_ 06-02-2016 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8498567)
This reminds me of the people who go around insulting people and then say "Well you chose to be insulted, not my fault". Of course you should have to specify if you insist on making such strong claims and accusations in such a broad, generalised manner. It's not even slightly comparable to the "in my opinion" example.

lmfao it's nothing of the sort. Again, if you choose to take 'people' to mean every person that's ever existed, that is your problem. I doubt any person that's ever used that word in a sentence has ever been referring to everyone, and I'm pretty damn sure most people understand that. All this is is petty semantics, and you know full well it is. It is completely akin to the 'IMO' example and actually if I remember correctly you may be one of the people who has pulled people up on that before so it's unsurprising you think they are unrelated. Anyway, I've given you my already obvious clarification so unless you need me to repeat it again why don't we end this completely pointless part of the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8498567)
Thanks for the clarification that I so unreasonably sought. :)

You are so very welcome :hee: is there anything else you need me to clarify? How about pointing out my original post in this thread was '...in my opinion'? Actually that's a good one, yeah. People may disagree but I posted it because it was my opinion. Can't really think of any other obvious things that need clarifying but please do make sure to point them out to me if you spot them!

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8498567)
I replied again because you decided to make an inaccurate assumption as to why I responded as strongly as I did even after I'd already stated why I feel so strongly on the issue. Since I actually have an iota of self respect I wanted to set you straight on that. Nothing bizarre about that. I stand by the fact that we have nothing more to say to each other on the issue of racism playing a significant role in BB results, but if you're going to misrepresent me I will gladly continue to respond and reaffirm the actual facts.

Let me make this clear: I can totally understand why racism is an issue so close to your heart, and it goes without saying that I am sorry you have had to experience it, but to jump on a post that was so obviously not directed at every person ever in the manner than you did, as I have already explained above and in several other posts - was really quite unnecessary. I will end this post here for fear of recycling what I've already explained, but it is nothing more than semantics I'm afraid. It doesn't take a genius to work out that I couldn't possibly be talking about everyone that's ever posted on here or anyone that's ever watched the show, it's common sense.

VanessaFeltz. 06-02-2016 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8498591)
Cmon, Helen ius an exception to the rule surely. She would never have been anywhere near the final without the pass and some still think she only won as part of a betting scam.

No other winner has been as horrendous as Helen. Infact usually its the quiet 'nice' ones that win in the end :(

This is on normal BB. Celeb BB comes down to how many fans you have pre-show usually it seems

Or the useless ones that bb sells us as nice.

For example Chloe, she was mean and nasty, nothing was nice about her when they were trying to sell her as "a nice normal girl"

Or Sam, i literally cant see how he was soo nice

Or Josie, nasty bitch made Caoimhe leave

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