Originally Posted by joeysteele
(Post 8600899)
I am annoyed at any benefit cheat or anyone claiming what they should not too, however because it is a stick to beat benefit claimants with when any case does appear like the one you mention.
Then the media and others try to present that as more the norm than a tiny majority,with no figures to back same up however.
I do not know how many as a % may be cheating the system but when I see TV programmes devoted to the issue and they always say, all of them, that the cheats are a very small number indeed,then I accept that.
From my personal experience of being involved with people on benefits and preparing casework as to them,I find more people 'not' claiming what they should be getting rather than finding people claiming wrongly.
It is why when the DWP cuts anyone's benefits, if they go the whole way and go to a court tribunal on appeal, I have yet to see a case where the DWP actions is upheld and the benefits not ordered to be restored in full or in a greater part.
Do you ever ask yourself, despite the likes of ATOS and now the American firm re-assessing the claimants,the media scratching around like rats looking for food, looking for benefits cheats,and this particular govt going all out to discredit those on benefits that still a tiny number are actually found and make it to the front pages of any so called newspapers.
I do and my answer to myself is because there are in truth very few to actually find anyway,if there were we would see them likely named and shamed every day in the media.
They are not there in the numbers people think they are,so in the main people on benefits should not be classed in the same way at all as someone who has wealth, hiding it,certainly from this Panama list, not declaring it all the time and fully intending to avoid or evade paying any dues taxes on it too.
Benefit cheats when found should and are dealt with and often severely at times too however they are nowhere in the same league as those who have already made or just acquired wealth to then play the system and hold off paying due likely tax they should.
If people know for sure of benefit being wrongly claimed, tell the DWP who will investigate every case,you may be stunned to learn however the number that are investigated on only the suspicions of another which turn out to be false suspicions in the first place.
Very dangerous to assume someone on benefits is cheating 'if' it is not known for sure.
Back to this issue, if there was nothing illegal, immoral or wrong about these accounts and funds, then why did the PM deny having them,why did he not declare it instantly when asked, and why hide them while in all his time as Opposition leader too.
It has had to be dragged out of him and rightly so,whoever else may be found in the same position as him,no matter what political party they belong to or who or what even as a company they may be,then they should really have the book thrown at them.
You rightly, I was pleased to see, condemned the PIP and tax credits planned cuts,I don't know whether you would do the same as to taking up to £30 a week off ESA claimants in the WRAG group of ESA too from next year.
Who are deemed too ill or disabled to work at the present time.
I find it really nauseating that anyone in power should get away with any form of tax avoidance or evasion, they should not as public servants even be involved in any scheme whether it is illegal or not.
They and the leaders of parties particularly who seek being elected to the highest office in the lands should actually be setting an example, something that I would say none of the people on this list have done or intended to do. Their actions just done out of pure greed and selfishness and not even needing to be done by them either.
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