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Shaun 18-06-2016 06:06 PM

Really moving statement from her family on the news (BBC just now) :(

joeysteele 18-06-2016 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 8735982)
So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

Probably it is none of my business and I should have kept my thoughts as to this thread and the intention of it to myself.

I agreed with Jo's stance,I find it odd that anyone clearly on the other side to hers should now feel uncomfortable.

It seems this thread is now going to go down the road of others as to the EU and the divisions that brings.
It is just for me,one of Jo's greatest messages was look for the things that unite us, not divide us.
I thought and hoped all on this thread are united in the horror and even grief at her brutal and senseless murder, that anyone for just being who they are and for having an opinion,going about their work should meet such a cruel and yes really, evil, end to their life.

Maybe the rhetoric applied in the EU campaign has got way out of hand,especially as to refugees and immigration.
Maybe in time the links will be solidly proven as to that as this case progresses.

I also do not in any way disagree with a single thing you have said above too,every word you say is totally valid and strong points.

I just liked this thread better when it was being used for to express, sorrow, shock and condolences for a great person and life lost.

Also, for me anyway, had this been an MP cut down in the same way who was on the other side.
I would have felt a need to refrain from mentioning the EU and would have looked for the positives of that MP and offered sympathies equally to their family too.

We have heard a lot about Jo on the news.
I was very fortunate indeed to be able to,with others spend about 4 hours in her company during the election campaign last May in her constituency.
There are some people who can be in your life for years and they may never make any real impression.
Then there are people like Jo, who maybe you meet for a few hours,who make such a massive impression, due to their caring, warmth, friendliness, humour and dedicated determination.
Someone who you never forget,even after only that brief few hours in their presence, and also who you wish you could maybe come to be like someday too.

Sorry if anyone felt I was getting at anyone,I just felt there are plenty EU threads on tibb, and that this thread after her barbaric attack and death,could have been used to avoid any divisive elements to it, between anyone.

Ammi 18-06-2016 06:35 PM

..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

Crimson Dynamo 18-06-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8736234)
..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

why? this isnt a shrine to the dead MP its a discussion about her death

Crimson Dynamo 18-06-2016 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 8735982)
So Alf posts a video that is biased, and we are not to challenge it in this thread?

They are now saying what was reported was never uttered and are denying this was anything to do with any far right group, yet the BBC understands that during the searches of his house, detectives found Nazi-linked items including books and literature. What about those images on the net of this man being at a Britain First meeting, behind a banner, is that deemed to be a fake?

Are we also to ignore what he said when asked his name, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain"?

If this had been a Brexit MP, murdered by an Assylum Seeker, allowed in due to EU freedom of movement, would the Brexit people selflessly refrain from exploiting it?

That video does not even mention how both official campaigns were suspended. The video was using Jo's murder just as much as they accuse the Remain people

so if the guy had shouted Alah Snakbar people on here would be falling over themselves to say its nothing to do with Islam


But because its to do with the right then oh yes he is one of them?

puleeze

Kizzy 18-06-2016 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8736256)
so if the guy had shouted Alah Snakbar people on here would be falling over themselves to say its nothing to do with Islam


But because its to do with the right then oh yes he is one of them?

puleeze

He is a far right supporter that isn't in dispute is it?

Crimson Dynamo 18-06-2016 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8736309)
He is a far right supporter that isn't in dispute is it?

What is the evidence?

joeysteele 18-06-2016 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8736234)
..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

Well that is not for me to say or request as it is Shaun's thread but anyway it seems this thread is now heading down a divisive route and I find that very sad indeed.
A thread to announce the attack of and then crushing news of the death of and show respect to Jo, ending up with what she fought against all her life, any divisions.

I'll certainly keep my mouth shut now other than to honour Jo and think of her family.

Alf 18-06-2016 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8736234)
..maybe staff could move Alf's video and any connected posts after it to one of the EU threads, Joey..?...

If you want, I can edit it out for you, would you like me to do that?

smudgie 18-06-2016 08:33 PM

What an amazingly dignified family Jo had.
I was moved to tears by the lovely words her sister read out and the smile on her mothers face.

joeysteele 18-06-2016 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 8736392)
What an amazingly dignified family Jo had.
I was moved to tears by the lovely words her sister read out and the smile on her mothers face.

Beautiful the words were smudgie,just beautiful.
As were the words her Husband released too after her brutal death.

Kizzy 18-06-2016 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8736310)
What is the evidence?

The literature and affiliations to far right organisations found in his home.

Jack_ 18-06-2016 09:29 PM

I said the other day that if the reports about him shouting 'Britain First' were true then this should be called out for what it is - terrorism. And it seems the evidence coming to light only adds weight to that.

I am so sick of white perpetrators of premeditated murder in the name of politics or religion being offered the 'lonely' and 'mental health issues' excuses by the media. It is bull**** and it's time to stop allowing such institutionalised racism to continue because if this man had dark skin and/or links to Islamic State it would've been called terrorism within minutes.

The more we learn about this appalling story, the more it seems that the perpetrator was a far-right neo-Nazi who vehemently opposed Jo's politics. This was a callous act of terror and that is that.

ThriceShy 18-06-2016 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8736457)
The literature and affiliations to far right organisations found in his home.

But what I don't get is that the left constantly post #NotAllMuslims when a muslim commits a terrorist attack.

So why is the whole of the right wing being blamed for this shooter?

ThriceShy 18-06-2016 09:41 PM

Can anyone explain to me what the endgame is here?

Let's suppose we establish that the shooter of Jo Cox was a right wing extremist/terrorist. What then?

We can't ban guns as they are already banned. Are we going to ban the right wing?

Tom4784 18-06-2016 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8736688)
I said the other day that if the reports about him shouting 'Britain First' were true then this should be called out for what it is - terrorism. And it seems the evidence coming to light only adds weight to that.

I am so sick of white perpetrators of premeditated murder in the name of politics or religion being offered the 'lonely' and 'mental health issues' excuses by the media. It is bull**** and it's time to stop allowing such institutionalised racism to continue because if this man had dark skin and/or links to Islamic State it would've been called terrorism within minutes.

The more we learn about this appalling story, the more it seems that the perpetrator was a far-right neo-Nazi who vehemently opposed Jo's politics. This was a callous act of terror and that is that.

I agree it should be labelled as terrorism but that'll never happen since the shooter was white and the media has a very clear image of how they want to present terrorism.

It'd also be nice if all the Right Wing folks saying 'don't tar us all with the same brush, we aren't all terrorists' could apply the same to Muslims and immigrants but they don't have the self awareness to see the similarities.

ThriceShy 18-06-2016 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8736991)
I agree it should be labelled as terrorism but that'll never happen since the shooter was white and the media has a very clear image of how they want to present terrorism.

It'd also be nice if all the Right Wing folks saying 'don't tar us all with the same brush, we aren't all terrorists' could apply the same to Muslims and immigrants but they don't have the self awareness to see the similarities.

IRA terrorists were white and they were always described as terrorists. David Copeland, the nail bomber who attacked the gay pub and the jewish market, was white and he was also called a terrorist.

If this guy shot Jo Cox to further a political end then I will happily call him a terrorist too. But lets not pretend he is anything more than an isolated nutjob.

When have the right wing claimed that ALL muslims are terrorists? I have certainly never said this and I appear to be the most right wing poster here.

Kizzy 18-06-2016 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8736737)
But what I don't get is that the left constantly post #NotAllMuslims when a muslim commits a terrorist attack.

So why is the whole of the right wing being blamed for this shooter?

Who's blaming the whole right wing? He was a lone terrorist, like the guy in Orlando.

ThriceShy 18-06-2016 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8737078)
Who's blaming the whole right wing? He was a lone terrorist, like the guy in Orlando.

The guy in Orlando was not a lone terrorist. His wife has admitted to helping him scout targets.

Kizzy 18-06-2016 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8737064)
IRA terrorists were white and they were always described as terrorists. David Copeland, the nail bomber who attacked the gay pub and the jewish market, was white and he was also called a terrorist.

If this guy shot Jo Cox to further a political end then I will happily call him a terrorist too. But lets not pretend he is anything more than an isolated nutjob.

When have the right wing claimed that ALL muslims are terrorists? I have certainly never said this and I appear to be the most right wing poster here.

You could argue all extremists have a degree of mental illness, why isolate this one?
The poster unveiled by UKIP is pretty divisive, nobody is commenting on any one individual in the thread.
That said your comment on west Yorkshire, being from there myself I found a bit off, we have no more or less anti immigration supporters than anywhere else.

Kizzy 18-06-2016 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 8737092)
The guy in Orlando was not a lone terrorist. His wife has admitted to helping him scout targets.

He was not aided by any organisation.

bots 18-06-2016 11:32 PM

I for one hope that he isn't allowed to hide behind a mental illness claim and receives the punishment he fully deserves for this crime. It is absolutely a terrorist event, the colour of skin doesn't come in to that term, it never has.

arista 19-06-2016 12:50 AM

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Ithinkiloveyoutoo 19-06-2016 05:50 AM

Right wing, vote leave activist Eva Van " don't let this man's sacrifice go on vain"

http://dailym.ai/1YyM0f3

Ammi 19-06-2016 06:20 AM

..if many are signing the petition to cancel the referendum then I wonder if that's an indication of 'no vote' from them../that I'm sure would be something that Jo wouldn't have wanted or her family wouldn't want...for people not to vote at all...


A petition to cancel next week’s European Union referendum has surged in support in the days following the killing of MP Jo Cox.

As of lunchtime on Saturday over 20,000 people have signed the statement on the Parliament website in the last few days calling for the vote to be called off at the last minute.

The call comes amid consternation at the tone of the referendum campaign and the temporary suspension of activities by both sides in light of the MP’s death.

Thomas Mair, the man charged with her murder, gave his name as “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain” when he appeared in court on Saturday morning.

As the petition has over double the 10,000 required signatures for it to reach its first hurdle, the Government will be obliged to issue an official response to it in due course.

At the current rate of increase the campaign looks set to hit 100,000 signatures before polling day on Thursday – a bar which would normally trigger a debate in parliament.

However, the petition will almost certainly fall on deaf ears as MPs have broken for recess so they can campaign in the referendum – and will be unable to hold a debate.
The petitioners argue that Britain is a parliamentary democracy and that parliament, rather than a national plebiscite, should determine whether Britain stays in the EU.

“According to the BBC 444 MPs of (almost) all parties have declared their support for Britain staying a member of the European Union on the basis of the reform package negotiated by the Prime Minister,” the petitioners say.

“Constituting more than 68 per cent of the votes in the House of Commons, this represents a rate and overwhelming cross-party Parliamentary majority.

“If it is the settle will of such a large majority in the House of Commons, Parliament should now rise to the occasion and asset the very sovereignty Brexit campaigners claim it has lost.”

There were last minute changes to plans this month when the deadline to register to vote in the referendum was extended by a further 48 hours.

Around half a million people flooded onto the Government website to sign up to register to vote – most of them young.

The call to cancel the referendum comes with the Leave campaign leading in the polls published before Ms Cox’s killing.

A string of surveys from Ipsos MORI, YouGov ORB showed Britain on the verge of Brexit.

The European Union referendum is set to take place on 23 June. The deadline to register to vote has already passed.


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