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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 9072007)

Well you never know if someone is planning on starting the show, I'd only feel right talking about the ending without tags in an actual Lost thread :laugh:

I do get all that tbh, as I say there are gripes I totally agree with but I do also think it gets more flack than it deserves in some regards

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But with Westworld they have said they have like 5 seasons mapped out in advance so I like to think they know exactly where they plan on going with it and already know the outcomes to the mysteries they've set up (even if they don't get that far). I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise anyway :laugh:

I think the problem with Lost, and a lot of the "earlier" shows with grand concepts and over-arching plots actually, was that they didn't start out with a clear idea of how many seasons they were going to be running for, so they didn't know how to pace the story and ended up having to create "filler content" in the middle, only to then have to slightly rush the final seasons. There are a greater number of shows with these large season-and-whole-show spanning plots these days and they've learned to at least aim for an end date ("We're aiming for 5/6/7 seasons") and they have proper 1st/2nd/3rd "acts" planned. Lost was really one of the first to negotiate that, I believe, it was sort of a big thing when they and the network announced I think in '07(?) that a full deal had been agreed with the network and it was DEFINITELY going to end in 2010... rather than renewals being indefinite hand in hand with ratings which just wouldn't have worked for a show like Lost. It would either have waffled on for years, or been cancelled at short notice with a rushed half-season summing up. Or both! :umm2:. But they really paved the way for writers planning shows with set lengths, that we often see now.

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 9064774)

No :joker: 3 left and then no more until 2018 though.

Have you seen episode 7?

Episode 7
a Top Episode.

Season 2
14 months away
that's great,
as its Quality First,

I agree in the story that Hopkins
has TOTAL control (ref :ep. 8)
as the CEO.

Episode 8 was okay but the reveals being so obvious have annoyed me and dampened my enjoyment of the show as a whole as they could have done some of the reveals earlier on and made the plot move along a bit more. It feels like we've been waiting around just to be given the obvious answers.

I do agree with what Shaun was saying about killing off good characters, it does feel needless especially when there's a surplus of uninteresting characters who are still around.

The Maeve plotline is great though.

...mind you that early killing off of characters who could have developed further is something that TWD has never been afraid to do as well and it has allowed a growth also and been quite successful...

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9073841)

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Episode 9!!! :worship: (yes I know I've loved every episode, this show can do no wrong for me)

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The theories of Bernard being a recreation of Arnold and the multiple time periods being confirmed :clap1: :clap1: I don't mind that the twists are things that have been heavily theorized because the clues have been there throughout the series, I like that they're doing things that make sense rather than attempting to do twists that nobody would ever guess and going with things that make no sense as a result as so many other shows do at times. Also, shows like this that invite mass speculation wouldn't be fun if they just decided to go for a random WTF reveal and disregard the clues for the sake of shock value, the whole appeal of forming theories is the possibility that you're on to something so I love the show for not cheating for the sake of shock.

Also I wouldn't have even thought of multiple time periods if I hadn't read the theories online that made me look at certain scenes in a new light. Same with Bernard being based on Arnold, if I hadn't already read the theories and clues I wouldn't have considered it myself prior to maybe last week so I don't think they were twists that were glaringly obvious, just that the signs were there if you looked for the right things.

Someone online a few weeks ago also suggested the woman in the photo that Dolores' father found in the first episode was Logan's sister so very cool to have that confirmed too (along with that being the moment that essentially confirmed those scenes were taking place years ago, well, that and Dolores having mechanical insides).

The Man in Black being a Delos board member completely took me by surprise, didn't expect that. I'm now more convinced than ever that he's an older William and he gets into the company by marrying Logan's sister (since Logan's family have a share).

If Angela is anything to go by it seems like Wyatt's cult are self aware Hosts so I'm wondering if Ford's new narrative is something to do with awakening the Hosts (which would be odd considering his God complex and how he delights in having complete control over them but I'm very intrigued).

I've read another theory that Dolores is Wyatt which sounded absolutely absurd when I first heard it but now I'm considering it. Last week we saw Dolores have a flashback of that same shooting that Wyatt and Teddy perpetrated, and it was made to look like maybe Dolores was the shooter (but it was ambiguous of course). It would be cool since it would still tie Teddy to Dolores but in a whole new way (and we've seen Wyatt as a man but that could be Teddy's programming to remember him a certain way). Wyatt has to be more than just some bad guy who isn't someone else we know considering his apparent importance to the endgame so yeah, I definitely think the guy we've seen as Wyatt isn't what he actually looks like (and the Hosts are the absolute definition of unreliable narrators as far as their supposed memories go).

Really happy to see Clementine again (even if she was just a mindless drone). I hope Maeve pulls her into her rebellion, we can't have her just stuck in cold storage forever. I'm also wondering what will become of Bernard, I know Ford made him kill himself but that isn't really true death to a Host so I wonder if he'll wake up and join in the revolt with Maeve and co.

And yeah, Elsie 100000% is alive, they keep teasing Bernard "killing" her without showing her actually dead. Wonder where she's been hanging out these past few weeks. (watch her actually be dead now :laugh:)

Also I can't forget my obligatory Maeve is ****ing awesome comment :love:

My posts on this show are always so long, there's so much to talk about :joker::joker:

So the penultimate episode got the second highest ratings of the season so far (and were extremely close to matching the season high) :clap1:

I read part of your spoiler Lostie but I decided that I'm going to avoid fan theories now as well if i can because alot of them come true and it spoils it a bit for me.

I agree with you though that I'm glad they're sticking to whatever plan they had whether people guessed or not unlike some shows cough*Lost*cough

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9080560)

I read part of your spoiler Lostie but I decided that I'm going to avoid fan theories now as well if i can because alot of them come true and it spoils it a bit for me.

I agree with you though that I'm glad they're sticking to whatever plan they had whether people guessed or not unlike some shows cough*Lost*cough

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Yeah, it makes rewatches so much more appealing too if you can go back and see the clues they sprinkled which you can't have with twists they pull out of thin air for the sake of catching people off guard. Give me a reveal that was guessed beforehand but makes tons of sense any day tbh. So far it's been pretty much a solid fair-play mystery (a particularly well-done one in that the clues have all been there but not in an annoying glaringly obvious kind of way, everything has been open to interpretation and all of the theories I've read have had as many detractors as believers which I think is a testament to how they've done it).

I'm sooo ridiculously excited for the finale but also sad that it's nearly over, easily my favourite show in quite some time (since Lost actually :hehe:). *fastforward to a couple of years time and I've changed my username to Westie*

The finale will be simulcast at the same time as the US airing on Sunday night (well, Monday morning for us technically), 2am our time. I'll just watch later on Monday, I'll be too tired to pay proper attention (and this show in particular requires full attention :laugh:).

It's also 90 minutes long :clap1:

Watched episode 9 and was entertained but confused.

Won't put it in spoilers because it's not a spoiler lol just a theory, or maybe it is a spoiler idk, but I assume one of Logan and William goes on to be the man in black? Right now my money would be on William since dolores keeps looking at TMIB with a deep recognition.

Bernard </3

I don't really buy into the elsie=alive theories but it'd be a really pleasant surprise to see they aren't just tossing aside any and every minor female character WHILE LETTING BLOODY LOGAN LIVE

And I agree with your idea about ford and the self aware hosts with Wyatt. My guess is he's going to be posited as an extremely nihilist villain who some how unleashes the hosts on the real world but I'M not sure how they'd execute that in scope. It'd be a very tired trope as well; man hates world wants to destroy it. Especially since little seems to be revealed about Ford's past yet.

And I'm not here for Maeve's rebellion story taking a back burner. But then I guess her overthrowing her masters and gaining freedom before the end of season 2 would be rather premature

For what it's worth, I can't see Logan surviving the finale. I think William (who I'm sure is the Man in Black) will kill him and doing so will be a major push down the rabbit hole to becoming MiB.

Something I'm confused about: Dolores and Teddy keep having flashbacks to the Escalante massacre, which is seemingly connected to Wyatt. Wyatt was only added to the narrative recently by Ford but Dolores had flashbacks to the massacre while with William (which we know is happening years ago) so I assume this massacre was an actual event years ago rather than just newly added false memories? I guess this Wyatt thing has been in play the whole time but it's only now that Ford is kicking whatever his plan is into motion.

Also, it's interesting that when Dolores descended down into the underground facility, it was all disheveled and abandoned (as opposed to how it looked in the flashback). I wonder why there were "dead" Hosts strewn all over.

Great episode, my favourite so far. I'm not ready for this to end.
Bernard :(

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it will be interesting to rewatch this next year knowing what we know now

I don't think it's the end of Bernard, a shot to the head is nothing to a Host in the long run :laugh:

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(that's not a full on spoiler but it's do to with the finale trailer)

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I'm tempted to watch this later in the week rather than asap on Monday like I have been all season because I don't want it to be over so soon, but I don't think I have the willpower :laugh: :worry:

Final Episode was Amazing I can not wait for Season 2!!

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Originally Posted by BBUKAUSFAN (Post 9085962)

Final Episode was Amazing I can not wait for Season 2!!

I absolutely loved it. And it capped off probably my favourite season of TV I can remember. :flutter:

watched it last night, i was so glad I didn't read anymore theories, William being the old crazy guy was a shock which was great. Great finale such a shame we have to wait so long for season 2 though

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Originally Posted by McGregrrrrrrrr (Post 9088023)

watched it last night, i was so glad I didn't read anymore theories, William being the old crazy guy was a shock which was great. Great finale such a shame we have to wait so long for season 2 though

Even though I had a strong feeling William was the Man in Black (admittedly only because I read the theories :laugh:), I'm still so glad it happened. That and Dolores being Wyatt were my favourite theories and they both happened :clap1:

Also they did well with getting some William = MiB believers off the scent for a while, after believing it for a while I then abandoned the idea for a bit when I became convinced there was only one timeframe so it couldn't possibly be true, and then when the multiple timeframes was seemingly confirmed last week I was back on board. So yeah, some really effective misleading editing work there :spin: I wouldn't have even considered the stories taking place at different points in time until episode 9 when Logan revealed the picture if I hadn't read the theories that brought my attention to little things like the Westworld logo being different etc so yeah, I definitely think some people who stay away from theories wouldn't have seen certain reveals coming, especially since they did such a good job of even making those who had read the theories second guess themselves :laugh:

I actually recall one scene earlier in the season when, right after a Dolores / William scene we went to a scene in the control centre with Stubbs and another employee talking about Dolores going off her loop. It seemed clear that they were referring to what we'd just been watching but they never actually specified that she was with a guest and clearly now we know they were following her while she was alone in the present day. It's the stuff like this that really make me want to rewatch now we know so much.

Ford has to be one of my favourite fictional characters ever. Him working to free the Hosts all along was a brilliant twist that I didn't anticipate (and his whole arc was so compelling, his initial ambiguous nature before being presented as seemingly pure evil only to be revealed as an anti-hero at the end :love:).

That final scene with Dolores shooting into the crowd while the cold storage hosts emerge from the forest was so good (and Clementine being out, with a gun nonetheless) :love:

And I still believe Elsie and Stubbs are alive :smug:

The finale got the highest ratings of the season :clap1:

Where are they going to go for season 2 though I wonder? :think:

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Originally Posted by McGregrrrrrrrr (Post 9088356)

Where are they going to go for season 2 though I wonder? :think:

Yeah I've no idea tbh, but I'm excited to see where they take it. I love that they answered the biggest mysteries of the season in the finale and opened up the story for a whole new set-up next season rather than dragging out the same things for too long. As much as I love Lost, them ending their first season with the opening of the hatch but not revealing what was inside feels like even more of an insult given how Westworld ended :laugh: