Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8956700)

..it's just such a wrong and contradictory thing in prejudicing against non faith/religion and yet a part of it being, teaching non-belief of religion as well as an option...(although some schools will teach religion itself in different ways, wherever the school, in the UK as well etc..)...the placings themselves, seem to be the abuse of power given to bishops in schools../maybe not all of them..?...but many of them..?...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8956714)

Yeah very much so Ammi

This is a good website too if you're interested

http://www.teachdontpreach.ie/2016/0...state-funding/

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8956716)

...yeah, I'm getting on my high horse a bit about this so I'll go off and read that now as well, thank you..:love:..I'm checking a few sites out atm..(not that any of them differ in their explanations of the Irish school structure ..)...

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8956660)

No offense here Jaxie but I'm truly shocked everytime a British person makes a comment like that :laugh: The lack of understanding you seem to have about North/South Ireland is baffling. You know the North and South isn't a religious feud. We weren't fighting between eachother to convert eachother or whatever. The reason why so many Protestants in Northern ireland want to stay within the UK is because they were mostly originally from there as that's the most prominent religion in Britain and the reason why most nationalists are catholic is because they were probably mostly originally irish as that was the most prominent religion in Ireland.

have no doubt that Ireland splitting in two and the IRA forming and all the troubles up there, is because Britain invaded our country and when they decided to give it back eventually, split it in two for some reason......it almost seems like it's been pawned off to Irish fighting amongst eachother in some religious war instead of what it actually was, Nationalists wanting Ireland to be one again and Unionists wanting to be British (because they mostly were from Britain anyway originally)

All religion had to do with it really was a way of identifying where your allegiances lay (ie Irish(catholic) V's British(Protestant)

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8956771)

I have friends in both areas. I was wondering if the changing of attitudes continues 'change' of itself might make people start to come together one day. I know it's a loyalist and republican issue rather than a religious one though some superstition doesn't seem to have helped or has been used an excuse.

Though I think the British are at least partially ignorant about the problems as I think a lot was withheld through reporting restrictions etc.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8956780)

I don't think so really. What it boils down to now is whether those in Northern Ireland want to move out of the UK and join, which is now as so much time has passed, a "new" country. I can't see Ireland ever being unified now, too much water under the bridge and time passing, that ship has long sailed unfortunately

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8956790)

I think that's a shame, is it weird for an English person to say that? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8956794)

:laugh: I think alot of English people don't care one way or the other but you rarely hear them saying its a shame no but it is a shame :love:

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8956801)

It just seems to me unnatural to have an island cut in half. Though if the SNP get their way it could happen to this island too!

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8956771)

I have friends in both areas. I was wondering if the changing of attitudes continues 'change' of itself might make people start to come together one day. I know it's a loyalist and republican issue rather than a religious one though some superstition doesn't seem to have helped or has been used an excuse.

Though I think the British are at least partially ignorant about the problems as I think a lot was withheld through reporting restrictions etc.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8956814)

Scotland was always a country of it's own though so I'm not sure that's exactly the same but interesting POV on it anyway :laugh:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8956838)

What superstition is this? People in the North feel British or Irish, it has never been a religious conflict, the media have always reported it as Catholic/Protestant which waters it down to something more palatable maybe

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8956938)

Well yes but many hundreds of years ago, it's been part of GB through my lifetime and I think of it that way.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8956941)

Id like to see a united Ireland


Then we could tow it off into the atlantic a bit as its way, way too close

:umm2:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8956595)

A debate is fine but as usual it we ends into the usual whitewash that religious types are ignorant nutter and need to be told as much :laugh:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8957002)

Not at all, ' If you're not for us you're against us' that's how I see it, because that's how it is.
If you are of one faith you can't advocate another because it is fundamentally 'wrong' ... that's how it is religion, intolerant.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8957013)

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here. :umm2:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8957021)

Usually because they have thought about it and investigated it more

hence the reason they do not believe in gods :hee:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8957021)

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8957030)

And yet religious people have the reputation of arrogance. :umm2:



I wish I could speak on behalf of billions of people like that.

What magical powers you have. :hee:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8957040)

How do you know religious people have that reputation?


and what evidence do you have that Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Jews (for example) believe in other gods as well as their own?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8957013)

It's always the atheists that are the experts on religion around here. :umm2:

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 8957050)

Who said they were an expert? :shrug:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8957043)

How does anyone what reputation anyone has? The way they're spoken about and referred to. Obviously.

Well considering there are many more religions in the world, all of which breakdown into several different branches of those religions, how DO YOU make the assumption that 99% of them are "atheists to other religions"?