ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums - Jade's new race row (press report & discussion)

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Originally posted by lonnmordare

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Originally posted by nodisharmony

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Jade Goody did say to Shilpa that she was a ***loser, but that was after Shilpa had told her to (shut-up 3 times) & (get elecution lessons) & (you have no manners) & (your claim to fame is this)

Perhaps Shilpa should have shown more restraint?

Like I said earlier, she had plenty of opportunities to hault the argument and Shilpa never took those opportunities.

It was just an argument. Get over it!!! Shilpa has.

What exactly are we supposed to be getting over. It seems to be you thats always jibber jabbering on about this even though it was 2 months ago.

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If Jade went on a trip to India for a different reason and she was not in the position that she is today, then she may leave her children with someone else.

Madonna does the same.

What you are saying, is, that it was un-necessary.

I disagree. Safety was on Jade's mind and she made the right choice at the right time.

The truth is, she had no choice.

I think Jade always has a choice when it comes to her career as a 'media hype' celebrity. Everything Jade does involves lots of effort to get noticed, and by far the easiest thing to do would be to stay home for a few months and look after her children, but she just cant resist on capitalising on trying to break the Asian market given the status she has due to all the screen time she scrounged with Shilpa Shetty.

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Jade Goody is not likely to do, what you prefer her to do, and hide away. She is not like that.

The evidence speaks for itself!

She gave money to a worthy charity and went over there to India, at her own expence. and gave the money directly.

I feel that it is better to do that, than give the money to a charity organisation here, who may not give all the money to the charity.

It has been known, that some funds disappear and much less goes to the actual charity.

It will be news, and the media will get involved.

Jades only option is to try and buy her way out of the mess she has got herself in. Giving money to charities is something that Jade cant really object to. For all the millions and millions of pounds that the British public have given her, Jade doesnt really have a choice about giving a little bit to charity after her actions on television. If she didnt, I think shed probably be lynched.

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The Royal's have a similar problem. and Jade Goody is definately royalty.

What, a royal pain in the ****?

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There maybe bad stuff about Shilpa Shetty in those un-edited tapes? who knows, but Endemol.

But, even though there may be some other bad stuff, there maybe a bit of bad stuff about the three girls and if all this was edited out, then that is good.

It shows that Endemol policed the show well. But, not too well, hence, the current problem Ruth.
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Regarding the CPS's conclusion to the case.

They say that there was definate Offensive remarks on the show. But, the investigation was dropped, deeming only Offensive remarks.

I would remind any viewer of the show, that Racism on a reality show is not taken lightly, and Endemol and even Channel 4 are not above the law.

If Racism was evident, even regardless of a complaint. Judgements have been made from what we all saw.

What we saw, is what the CPS has used as evidence.

The viewing public may claim racism, but, the CPS have looked and made their judgement based on law.
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Don't bang your head against a brick wall. It might break and you may be done for damage to council property :laugh:

I think what youre trying to do is suggest we didnt learn anything about these people whilst we watched for 3 weeks in January. The whole series consists of boring things where we all get familiar with the personalities, and the minor incidents inbetween are what causes the hype and talking points. (e.g. 'Whos eaten all the ****** stock cubes') We all made our minds up about these people based on EVERYTHING. If people are condemning Jade for particular incidents, its because they know exactly what sort of person she is from how she conducts herself everyday. If Jade was a good person, people would forgive her nodisharmony, and you wouldnt need to be doing all this campaigning on her behalf.

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All the stuff before Shilpa annoyed Jade more, saying "shut-up", was still swinging from both angles.

firstly, complete defusion of the argument.

secondly, a progression into a full scale argument, which is what happened.

It is just a turn of events on a reality show, made famous for arguments.
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My judgement isn't clouded. It is just the way the argument panned out.

I shall add the Youtube video later on this thread.

You dont need to add any youtube really. Everyone saw the argument, and everyone who took objection to Jade's conduct has every right to think that way. The reason that escalated into an awful, offensive, ugly incident is because of Jade Goody. Jade always creates incidents like that and Shilpa Shetty was clearly gobsmacked and extremely uncomfortable. Jade was in her element. Jade's favourite hobby is shouting and screaming at people to try and put them down.

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You once again, say that Jade, Jo & Danielle made racist remarks???

They may have appeared to some people, to have racial-over-tones. This has been stated, time and time again.

Endemol won't allow racism on the show.

This is what they say. Am I wrong?
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I have explained in detail what (part-time-racist-comments) are about in depth.

I doubt that we shall agree. So I shall move on.

There were definite racially motivated remarks from Jade, Danielle and Jo and nothing anyone says can change that fact.

To be ignorant to the facts is not to disprove anything.

By the way, Endemol say they dont allow racism because if they didnt say that, their show would be cancelled. It is a formality which was not adhered to in January, but people turn a blind eye if things can be sorted out.

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I can see by the Capital letters that you were offended and it is lovely for Jade to show how sorry she was.

Theres nothing lovely about anything Jade has done. every single apology she makes is in complete and utter shame. She was offensive to help her career, and any sort of apology is the best that can be offered, but it certainly doesnt make her gracious in any way.

Welcome, lonnmordare.

A few questions from my posts, Okay, I shall explain your doubts:-

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We are talking about something which took place in January. That is true.

Sadly, the Newspapers are still on about all of this and Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd have lives to lead and an image to keep, also, they would like to feel safe.

Sorry if this bores you. It is just watch & learn time for some.
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Jade is one of those types of girl's who craves the lime-light of being a celebrity and in every Newspaper & Magazine she could.

But these days, things are quite different.

You must appreciate this:- lonnmordare

Jade doesn't want to stay at home and hide away and just look after her children.

She looks after her children and at the same time, does what she can to make good and also try and clear her name.

She did apologise, we all know that. But, she is doing much more good, by helping a worthy charity and even offering to wear a "Sari" too.

Many have chosen to believe that she is generally a bad person? Well, why is she worth 8 million pound then?

perfume & fitness only?? come on, get real?
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Jade Goody didn't have to give any money away.

Danielle & Jo didn't. Were they lynched??
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When I said Jade Goody was a royal, I was actually saying, that, she is hounded by the media and quoted in the media too.

The Royal's have it worse. But, Jade is very close right now.

That is very true.
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Jade does come over bad on the three reality shows, where she was a housemate.

I have brought this up previous, whereby she may be playing to the cameras and exaggerating her personality to a greater degree.

This is the mistake which has made people cloud their judgement of her today.

Many don't like her looks, her attitude, her voice, etc..

Jo O'Meara just made that stupid mistake of not being sorry at all and saying that she would do it all over again.

A mistake too far...

and Danielle Lloyd, well, people can't see past her great stunning looks, so she is different!
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I only offered to add the Youtube videos, for further scrutinization from the disbelievers, that's all.

Jade does a lot of shouting on these shows, that is true.

She talks very fast as well

Many hate her voice. Shilpa said that it bothered her.

I would also say:- lonnmordare, that, this was never about arguments, it was only about one colour of skin, against another colour of skin. Nothing else.

Words which offended and all that stuff...
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You are right about Endemol's position.

They do have their hands tied slightly and admitting to stuff like this is never good politically, but most of all "Financially".

I agree
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Jade's apologies are much more honest than you think.

You need to study each interview and scrutinize every part.

It is not a case of knowing a girl like Jade and saying that she is my friend and she would never intentionally do this.

That would always sound bias.

So, we have to look into each section of the evidence available and each word said and the order in which it was said and the interviews especially.

If you get some spare time;- lonnmordare

Start with the Davina interview and then the Dermot one.

They are much better than the horrible News Of The World interview, which is very upsetting indeed.