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Denver 14-03-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9249426)
How is that tbe EUs fault though, Bulgaria was like that before they joined the EU aswell

Because the EU promised a better life for Bulgarian citizens but have failed to deliver

Josy 14-03-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249325)
Omg you don't say!

I'd rather an independent Scotland followed the select rules voted on by the EU member states than not be a proper country that's governed by Tories for the foreseeable future

No need for sarcasm is there.

Any country that is part of a union and has to follow someone else's rules etc is not truly independent, it really is simple.

Greg! 14-03-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9249372)
Scotland will be at the back of the line when it comes to trading with the UK

I'm screaming is this a joke? The UK is DESPERATE for trade deals and Scotland is England's biggest export partner and NEAREST NEIGHBOUR :joker: :joker:

Denver 14-03-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249436)
I'm screaming is this a joke? The UK is DESPERATE for trade deals and Scotland is England's biggest export partner and NEAREST NEIGHBOUR :joker: :joker:

Scotland will have nothing to offer the UK

Greg! 14-03-2017 05:54 PM

Wow

Denver 14-03-2017 05:55 PM

Scotland will have no economy and will be a stand alone country with no EU for years.

Most of their income is from the UK so once that goes they have nothing

Greg! 14-03-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9249350)
As Scotland would no longer be part of the UK trade deals would have to be negotiated similar to how the UK have to renegotiate with the EU

The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.

Denver 14-03-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249446)
The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.

If you want to be part of the EU then you cant have a single market with the UK

Greg! 14-03-2017 05:58 PM

Hmm yes you can

Denver 14-03-2017 05:59 PM

You follow by the EU trading rules not make your own

Niamh. 14-03-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9249433)
Because the EU promised a better life for Bulgarian citizens but have failed to deliver

No Bulgarians hoped that the EU were miracle workers more like, every country is still independant despite being in the EU

Denver 14-03-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9249458)
No Bulgarians hoped that the EU were miracle workers more like, every country is still independant despite being in the EU

Is it though? look at how they have destroyed the economies of countries

Denver 14-03-2017 06:02 PM

The EU is not what it was made out to be and hasnt been for 10-15 years

Greg! 14-03-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 9249435)
No need for sarcasm is there.

Any country that is part of a union and has to follow someone else's rules etc is not truly independent, it really is simple.

In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world

Denver 14-03-2017 06:09 PM

Im all for a wall at the top of the country and Scots crying because they are no longer allowed in the UK when they want

joeysteele 14-03-2017 06:19 PM

Nice one, hope this happens and the Scots vote for independence this time.
The so called UK will have to change its name.

I will be safely tucked up out of the backward looking and moving England dominated UK,to pasturesnew in the more forward Nation of Eire thank goodness this year.
Maybe even changes loom in N Ireland too over brexit as well.

Leaving only the dictatorial England to just sink further after not only leaving the EU but tearing the so called United Kingdom apart in the process.

Josy 14-03-2017 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249479)
In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world

Yeah obviously and then snp will hand the independence over to the EU which is exactly what I said on my first post that you've been arguing against ever since ;)

Greg! 14-03-2017 06:27 PM

and I explained why the UK and EU are completely different. After Independence the SNP could be voted out anyway if Scotland suddenly decided it wanted to leave the EU

Denver 14-03-2017 06:29 PM

But it will be the only party available the others are British

Greg! 14-03-2017 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9249531)
But it will be the only party available the others are British

The tories and labour have their own Scottish parties. Like, they would continue to exist :umm2:

Denver 14-03-2017 06:31 PM

They would need to be reformed

Cherie 14-03-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249479)
In that case, any state that's a part of NATO, the UN or any other international body isn't an independent country.

The fact is, while Scotland is a part of the UK, it isn't an independent country. If it leaves the UK, it will be and will be free to chart its own course in the world



sounds like a Brexit policy :hehe:

Cherie 14-03-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9249446)
The UK is only renegotiating a new trade deal with the EU because the UK government has CHOSEN to leave the single market so that they can pander to UKIP voters and reduce immigration. Scotland and the UK have no reason to ditch the UK single market so they won't.


You can't be part of the EU and pick and choose who you trade with, it's quite complex if you leave the UK you will have to reapply to join the EU and that could take years so you would neither have the single market or a trade deal with the UK to begin with, Spain has already said they would block Scotland as an Indy country joining, it would be even more of a mess than Brexit if that's possible

Niamh. 14-03-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9249461)
Is it though? look at how they have destroyed the economies of countries

The whole world was in recession not just those in the EU Adam, bloody hell

Denver 14-03-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9249608)
The whole world was in recession not just those in the EU Adam, bloody hell

But the EU were very unreasonable


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