I'm talking about overreacting to getting the second amendment scrapped, by using this situation.

Still not an over reaction imo it's situations just like these that are main reasons why gun laws should be looked at

Like I already said, the guns used yesterday are already illegal.

Indeed but apparently it's easy enough to turn a legal gun into one according to this article, so my point stands :

Exemptions do exist in the 30-year-old automatic weapons ban that make it possible for a civilian to attain one. And more likely, many technical hacks, some legal and some not, enable gun enthusiasts to turn their semi-automatic rifles into deadlier, rapid-fire weapons.

"In this country in general and especially in Nevada, it’s extremely easy for someone like this shooter to amass a giant arsenal of weapons that even without modifications are very dangerous and accurate over great distances," says Mike McLively, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "And then there are all these modifications to amplify their destructive capability, both legal and illegal."

John Sullivan, the lead engineer for gun access group Defense Distributed, puts it more simply: "Converting a semi-automatic to fully automatic is very, very easy," he says. "At the end of the day, machine guns are easy to make."
https://www.wired.com/story/las-vega...tomatic-rifle/

so basically DIY gun creating manual :worry:

I personally think, to start with asap, bullets should be made illegal - they can still have their right to bear arms, they're super in to that - but using, buying, selling, or having bullets will be illegal. Then there'd have to be a generation or more of phasing weaponry out slowly, it will never be an overnight thing.
Americans are taught their rights from an early age, and some bloke decided hundreds of years ago it was their right to carry a gun (he made that decision when mass murder was quite impossible), and they just stick with it, even though its obviously ridiculous. Unfortunately, this will happen again. And it still wouldn't be that difficult for the next guy, cos nothings gonna change as a result of this.

Of course it won't not with the NRA paying for Presidents.

What drove this 64 year old millionaire with no criminal record to commit this atrocity and then kill himself?


The conspiracy theory's are out today, and I'm sure they'll continue for a long, long time.

Was he a lone wolf psychopath? was he working for an organisation? was he a patsy?


It's a puzzling one.

I doubt anyone will ever know tbh, how do you even attempt to get into a mind like that?

I've heard he had gambling debts but so what? Why would that make him want to shoot a load of innocent people at a concert?

Lats face facts guns make people feel important and people like that, its a basic human need that they fulfil.


This perps's father had a degree or notoriety and also had suicidal thoughts. He was described from what I read as a diffident arrogant man and his life of crime he sounds to me like a psychopath and this guy could have been too and wanted to go out like his dad. Sadly he had the means to buy lots of guns

I expect his Mrs who was overseas at the time will have some answers, he did'nt just "snap" it was carefully planned, he checked in with 10 suitcases full of guns..he had a room overlooking the event was that coincidence or did he request a certain room ...

The typical reason for doing something like this (from the non-fanatic) is to be remembered and that implies some form of mental illness resulting in that compulsion.

There really doesn't need to be a reason, there is no rational reason for committing such an act, its only an excuse

The US gun laws are indefensible and are ultimately an underlined example of greed vs morality. A hundred schools could get shot up and thousands of children could die yet nothing will be done because gun owners that are against gun control are self entitled enough to believe that their right to bear arms is worth more than the thousands of lives lost to gun violence every year in the US.

Guns should not be widely available to all, stringent checks should be carried out on all potential gun owners while licenses should be mandatory nationwide. Finally there's no reason why automatic and military grade weapons should be available to the public. Shotguns and Rifles are needed in rural areas due to the danger wild animals can possess but there's no reason to justify being able to walk into a supermarket and being able to buy an assault rifle or any automatic weapon.

Responsible gun owners should have nothing to fear from the prospect of gun control, it's probably rare for most gun owners to actually even touch their guns since most of the time they'll be safely locked away.

I’d bet the fact that this guy had money made it easier to obtain full auto AR’s.Possibly black market?I’d bet they not cheap.Like over $10,000.Unless of course he converted legal semi autos.

I've been thinking about this a lot as this particular shooter doesn't have any apparent criminal history. Maybe something in his mind snapped though that seems at odds with the planning involved. I did wonder if maybe someone else was involved as well. Do they know for sure that he shot himself?

Proper shat myself when I heard about this, my parents are currently touring America and were going to vegas as one of their stops :S Luckily they were in Miami when this happened so they are fine.

Horrible though, and yes, tighter gun laws would help...but not many Americans would go for it

They stated that he shot himself so I'd imagine they were fairly sure that was the case

Deplorable story

You're imagining a psychological break to go from normal one day to looking like a typical Hollywood "loony" running around wild / crazy / incoherent the next. That's not what it looks like. These things take months to set in, and last for months longer, and often people are still more than capable of "acting" like the person they were before whilst internally believing, and carrying out, completely bizarre impulses.

Some people who have developed unseen psychological problems spend YEARS coldly and methodically planning out an action that they've developed a compulsion or fixation for... all the while going to work every morning and chatting with the neighbours over the fence.

Ive seen the picture of the shooter dead with his head blown out.

And **** that carpet in that hotel room is ugly, youd think theyd furnish the rooms more nicely for such a famous hotel.

There are hundreds of amateur conspiracy theories online atm and if you watch enough of them, you will be convinced that Paddock was either not the gunman or not the lone gunman.

I'm a keen follower of Stefan Molyneux and so when I spotted this video, I had to watch it. Its a long video but there's a lot of information in it that I hadn't previously seen and in my view, its worth watching.

:thumbs:

We have something in common.I like Stefan too.
Will watch it later.I saw the one before ‘The truth about the Las Vegas shooter’ or something.

The second amendment's reason for existing is outdated. The whole idea of it's conception was to allow the people to form a militia against the government if the government was acting against the interests of the public's freedoms. This was back when the height of military technology was a cannon and a settlement could feasibly hold off a military attack due to the fact that it would come down to numbers and guns.

Ain't no pistols, rifles or automatic weapon is going to hold off a Drone strike. It's an ammendment that no longer is feasible or applicable.

There is literally no reason for this law to exist other than pure greed.

Apparently in abit of a breakthrough the NRA are considering a ban on bump stocks.The NRA hardly ever make consessions on any bans.Also Trump is thinking of looking into it and the Republicans too.

Ref:ITV News

Fingers crossed something comes of it .