Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9726854)

An couple of examples. Before WW2 and as the Nazi party were forming, a general distaste for Jewish people started to spread throughout Germany. This of course was prompted through propaganda media channels and radio. Was there a stirring of anti-semitism and if not why not?

More recently we've been the spectators of war in the Middle East by both tribal natives and the West. We then started to see terrorist attacks on our own shores and suddenly we were all talking about Muslims. Every day for years we have had something in one paper or other condemning the Islamic faith and on every political forum we've had many debates about the sinfulness of Islam. Is that a stirring up of anti-semitism? and if not why not?

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9726880)

Well go on, explain why...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726886)

You know why. Although it would be useful for Labour supporters who refuse to believe their own party is anti-Semitic. Now apparently, the term will cover Muslims. Which is interesting... Because Semitism was born waaaaaay before Islam. Islam is less than 2000 years old and Judaism over 5000 years old. But hey, if it suits your particular agenda, then go for it.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726866)

Just use anti-Semitism, Cherie, seems it's now a catch-all phrase.

Originally Posted by Candy Cane (Post 9726897)

seems to be


I think I will make up my own

Paddyphobia

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726886)

You know why. Although it would be useful for Labour supporters who refuse to believe their own party is anti-Semitic. Now apparently, the term will cover Muslims. Which is interesting... Because Semitism was born waaaaaay before Islam. Islam is less than 2000 years old and Judaism over 5000 years old. But hey, if it suits your particular agenda, then go for it.

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9726872)

I appreciate it is predominantly used to cover slights aimed at anything related to the Jewish and/or the Jewish faith... but why?
If Islamophobia is not acceptable as an umbrella term and Muslims are by definition Semites where's the issue?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9726853)

Doesn’t that depend on what they are saying and whether it is true. If someone says it is a misogynistic religion, that would not be a spurious lie and such a religion is then open for criticism. Who gets to decide how much is constant - you it seems.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9726873)

I think the concerns by many about the aforementioned terrorism and hate-speeches/threats made on our streets from many of said religion as well as how we see women and others treated over-seas and here in the name of said religion puts a different slant on it not surprisingly.

It’s a completely different scenario to what the Nazis did to the Jewish people.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9727055)

I'm not talking about what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. I was talking about the rise of the Nazi party before the holocaust began. I was talking about how Jewish people were demonized and subjugated, not only by the rising Nazi party but by the German people.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726859)

Because before WW2 the Jews were not bombing the citizens of Germany, cutting off their heads, capturing women for rape and sex slavery etc. etc. etc. Hut hey, nice try in comparing the Muslim situation with the Holocaust. I'd laugh if I didn't think you were serious.

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9727062)

Were the Jews' actions at the time comparable to a number of muslims' actions today?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726886)

You know why. Although it would be useful for Labour supporters who refuse to believe their own party is anti-Semitic. Now apparently, the term will cover Muslims. Which is interesting... Because Semitism was born waaaaaay before Islam. Islam is less than 2000 years old and Judaism over 5000 years old. But hey, if it suits your particular agenda, then go for it.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9727066)

Even if it was, would the Jewish people of deserved what happened to them. The answer is a clear 'NO'.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9727055)

I'm not talking about what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. I was talking about the rise of the Nazi party before the holocaust began. I was talking about how Jewish people were demonized and subjugated, not only by the rising Nazi party but by the German people.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9726854)

An couple of examples. Before WW2 and as the Nazi party were forming, a general distaste for Jewish people started to spread throughout Germany. This of course was prompted through propaganda media channels and radio. Was there a stirring of anti-semitism and if not why not?

More recently we've been the spectators of war in the Middle East by both tribal natives and the West. We then started to see terrorist attacks on our own shores and suddenly we were all talking about Muslims. Every day for years we have had something in one paper or other condemning the Islamic faith and on every political forum we've had many debates about the sinfulness of Islam. Is that a stirring up of anti-semitism? and if not why not?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9727073)

But as far as I am aware the Jewish people didn’t have factions preaching hate and violence against them. They didn’t have millions pouring into their country and refusing to integrate into their way of life. Jewish people integrated well whilst still having their own religion and culture. They learned the language and were not trying to tell others how to live. They were generally very productive to the economy for example.

Many see a significant difference.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 9727075)

To be fair, attacks on the Jewish folks had been going on for centuries prior to the uprising of the Nazi party. Jews were primarily blamed for the killing of the jesus, which bred mistrust and led to lies such of blood libel (the murdering of Christian children for their blood) being laid against them.

The nazi's just made it a policy, but the resentment and mistrust of Jews had been built up by the catholic church in the middle ages.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9726856)

What is this new and interesting use of the phrase anti-Semitism?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9727077)

Neither do most Muslim families.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9727091)

(People didn't like islamophobia and decided this was a better way to describe their views last week :whistle:)

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9727114)

I meant the Nazis didn’t have Jewish factions preaching hate and death etc against them in the way that those threatening Britain @nd the rest of Europe today are Muslim. Your interpretation makes no sense.