Yes, debate. Not monologues.


I would imagine that after a couple of kids some women may insist a vasectomy be carried out without anaesthetic by the biggest, roughest pair of hands available.

ugh gross, it's actually a form of torture used too, pulling out peoples finger/toe nails :worry:

Did you watch as they removed your toenail? I had to have my thumbnail removed after an accident and the junior nurse in attendannce passed out.

Yeah, I've had both done and watched both times. It's really grim :joker:. I have to admit I started chuckling a bit the second time because the doctor looked so upset about it... The nurse that was there was asking HER if she was OK! [emoji23]

We don't know that she argued about it or that there was anything wrong with her attitude tbf, what she said could have simply been a response to her gender being questioned, she might have been asked directly and her response was what she believes her gender to be :shrug: (we also don't know that she believes everyone should agree with her... this is all assumptions, it's a small soundbite of what the nurse had said in the article and no actual comments from her to give her own pov or version). But considering the patient didn't want to raise a complaint about her I think it's unfair to assume she was being aggressive (the patient had no qualms about making a complaint against the hospital so I think it's fair to assume she would also have made a complaint about the nurse if she thought she'd been inappropriate).
The problem lies with whoever made the error in my view, the nurse shouldn't be demonised or shouldering the blame for any of this, she's just carrying out her job and trying to help people and was probably equally embarrassed and upset over the situation as the patient was.

I didn't assume they were aggressive? But they came back with bollocks about gender identity when the patient said they asked for a female. 'Gender identity' does not make one the sex you want to be.

The nurse did not make the original mistake, but the nurse did feel the need to come back with 'gender identity' crap when the patient said they had requested a female. Thats seriously crappy for a healthcare professional. Who ought to know that some people request same sex practitioners and should understand that.

*swap 'aggressive' for 'argumentative' then :laugh: that's what I was referring to.

All we really know is that she was questioned over her gender, and she replied with what she believes her gender to be. We know nothing else around what was said or discussed or that she was unprofessional in her dealings with the patient or argumentative. She may have handled the situation professionally for all we know but in that instance of being questioned over a personal attribute, she replied. If as an example a nurse is a born female but she looked like a man and was questioned about her gender by a patient and replied with 'I'm female'... would you consider that to be unprofessional or simply an answer to what is being asked? A strong indicator as to her professionalism or attitude would be if she was included within the patients complaint, but she wasn't. I just find this over focusing on the nurse because of 1 line in the article that assumptions are being drawn from when nothing about her attitude is even mentioned is a bit ott.

The nurse would actually be female though in that case? Quite different to a male person saying they are not male. I get that they want to be female, I do. But they are not and when the patient specified that they asked for a female person (and yes, the nurse was not at fault for whoever booked the appointment sending a male person...) it should have just been 'ok, sorry about that'. Not claiming to not be male. And male is not a 'gender' either :facepalm:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...nurse-11776953

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/89...ear-male-nurse

Another couple of links that go into a bit more detail too.

Ok I wasn't aware of that, I was just going by the article in the OP and I thought this was all assumptions, I didn't realise there was more information on how the nurse handled the situation so I'll concede on that. (I'd still like to think that she wouldn't have intended to cause any unnecessary distress to anyone and just found herself in an uncomfortable and difficult situation that she shouldn't have been put in in the first place, but yes that's just an assumption too :p )

Sorry I didn't read the OP article in full as had already read the story and remembered that that had been said about the nurses conduct. Didn't think to actually read the same one again :laugh:

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I think the one put in the most uncomfortable position was the poor women patient who, like most women, dreaded the examination only to be put in the uncomfortable and embarrassing position she was and ended up, probably after a lot of psyching up for the exam in the first place, having to cancel it. The patient is the one who should never have been put in that position in the first place.

Yes, I think I've stated in here that it must have been very uncomfortable for the patient. I only mentioned the nurse's discomfort in the post you quoted because that's who we were talking about. It will have been very uncomfortable for both of them.