Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 9920864)

Surely thats emotional blackmail though?

You could just as easily ask do you want to risk your children being affected by another hit on the streets of the UK by not responding?

No one wants armed conflict, no one has suggested it yet as I understand but we have a military to be prepared to protect citizens.

If using military grade nerve agents on our soil on a busy street is not a reason to lock down and protect citizens then what is? (Disclaimer obviously if it can be proven to have been a government ordered hit)

Originally Posted by James (Post 9920854)

Who has said we are going to war? The response has been moderate if anything.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9920865)

As are your constant excuses for him!

I don’t think anyone has the right to confiscate private property from anyone other than if it was stolen or gained as the result of criminal activity.

You can’t just steal from people because they are rich. If they choose to leave their properties empty that is their business as it is their property. Or is the PC brigade going to dictate exactly what people can do with their property now to keep it.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9920855)

But we are still associating women with the ‘Home ‘ are we. :shrug:

Women have equal status in the forces and otherwise so the women won’t just be kept safe at home. Neither would women in the forces want that as they are as courageous as their male counterparts. Or don’t you agree?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9920880)

Sorry, I'm not even going to get into this topic with someone like you because from what you just said, you clearly don't have any understanding about the problems with laundered Russian money on our shores.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9920883)

So you think the women in WW2 sat at home waiting for their husbands?!?!
The reason it became acceptable for women to go out and work after WW2 is because during WW2 they were expected to be part of the war effort. The built guns, made bullets, nursed the sick and dying and a whole lot more and for the first time in history, women got a taste for work and refused to go back to being the 'woman at home'.

Of course women are in the army and would partake and of course women would enlist but under the threat of war on our soil, its the men would be enlisted for front line service.

I know people will say we will all just be evaporated but that wasn't true in the Middle East. There are plenty more wars to be had around the world before we eventually blow ourselves up.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9920884)

Even when criminal activity is suspected - you still need proof positive before you start stealing the property of others.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9918379)

I was gratified to see that NATO has backed us 100%. I wonder whether this will give May the impetus to invoke NATO's Article 5 on Collective Defence which states "‘the Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all’. It's only ever been used once before, by the USA after 9/11

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9920933)

So on that note, should we be investigating every avenue of who poisoned those Russians? You know... plan B

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9920965)

So now we have 23 British diplomats expelled from Russia with further threats from May and Putin.

The Chemical Weapons Act page 9, section 2, clearly states that evidence (as proof) must be available, so how is May refusing the Russian embassy requests to collect evidence?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9920982)

Genuine question here DR, why are you so keen to see things from a Russian perspective, when its UK citizens that have been attacked?

I lived and worked in Russia, have many good Russian friends, but I still side with the UK in the face of an outrageous attack

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 9920864)

Surely thats emotional blackmail though?

You could just as easily ask do you want to risk your children being affected by another hit on the streets of the UK by not responding?

No one wants armed conflict, no one has suggested it yet as I understand but we have a military to be prepared to protect citizens.

If using military grade nerve agents on our soil on a busy street is not a reason to lock down and protect citizens then what is? (Disclaimer obviously if it can be proven to have been a government ordered hit)

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9921010)

That's the point... It hasn't been proven, you can't condemn one man for saying what he did, even if every one else is throwing their hands up in outrage because at the minute he has every right to make that point as there is no evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9921010)

That's the point... It hasn't been proven, you can't condemn one man for saying what he did, even if every one else is throwing their hands up in outrage because at the minute he has every right to make that point as there is no evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9921044)

You have a one-track mind Brillo. This issue is not about May or Corbyn and the obsession (not just from you, from many people, including the tabloid media) with trying to make it about May/Corbyn/Tories/Labour politics is bizarre.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9921027)

Weren’t you accusing Russia of interfering in the American elections because you didn’t support Trump?

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 9920587)

I see your point but the trouble is that this fits into a long pattern of Russian behaviour which has been going on for years. I think everyone agrees now that they were behind Litvinienko but there's also been numerous suspicious deaths that they were probably responsible for both in this country and abroad. But every time it happens they just react with sarcasm and sneer at any suggestion they were involved. A lot of their reaction is pure trolling. It's not just assassinations either, look at stuff like the passenger plane that was shot down over Ukraine where everything pointed to it having been shot by the Russian backed rebels on the ground but Russia kept on denying everything and put forward a load of dodgy evidence that a Ukrainian jet had shot it down instead. And they've been caught trying to pass off video game footage as 'evidence' in the past as well

Basically they just can't be trusted to take any incident like this seriously so it's pointless to indulge any of their excuses

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 9921046)

I didn't condemn him, I queried his use of language? As none of us or the media are privy to the intelligence gathered and no military action has been threatened to my knowledge I felt it was an inflammatory thing to say to the public. Not one of us outside of the government has a say in this and trying to whip up opposition by pulling on people's heartstrings seems wrong to me.....although the fear mongering from some tabloids also deserves derision too.

This whole situation is a mess, there are far too many what ifs, buts and maybes