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Oliver_W 13-10-2019 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10692442)
Tbh I prefer the theory (that the directors have not denied) that the Joker in this is not actually THE Joker at all, and rather that the Joker who is batman's nemesis was just inspired by the aesthetic.

My reason for this is that the entire point of the Joker is that he is an "avatar of chaos". There is no how or why to him, there is no complex trauma behind him, he just IS, because he enjoys it, the violence and chaos, for no reason that anyone would understand.

It's the same reason that while I love Ledger's performance in Dark Knight Rises, he isn't my "best joker" in terms of the lore. But the Nolan films in general are really more interpretations of than representations of Batman lore (Batman is underskilled and underpowered, the tech / Batmobile etc is a more "realistic" take, etc.)

But yeah. I haven't seen Joker and it might be a great standalone film (I've read mixed reactions) BUT no matter what, I stand by my opinion that explaining the Joker ruins the Joker.
In the canon comics, the Joker's real name is never given; some elseworlds and movies call him Jack Napier though.

I don't think this is THE Joker because THE Joker started out as a criminal called Red Hood (One). He fell into a vat of chemicals which drove him insane, and bleached his skin and greened his hair. So it's not clown makeup he wears, the chemicals literally turned him into a 'clown'.

#DCFanboy

But then I've not seen Joker yet.

Ramsay 13-10-2019 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10694789)
In the canon comics, the Joker's real name is never given; some elseworlds and movies call him Jack Napier though.

I don't think this is THE Joker because THE Joker started out as a criminal called Red Hood (One). He fell into a vat of chemicals which drove him insane, and bleached his skin and greened his hair. So it's not clown makeup he wears, the chemicals literally turned him into a 'clown'.

#DCFanboy

But then I've not seen Joker yet.
This Joker is it's own stand alone version of the character with no ties to the comics apart from obvioiusly Gotham and the Waynes and stuff so he could be this versions actual joker but I think I prefer the idea of him influencing the real one but hey that's the great thing about this movie is that it's always open for interception

Vanessa 13-10-2019 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10694769)
Popped into town earlier with my mate just for a look around and ended up sacking off the shops because of horrible weather and opted to see this instead on a whim.

Both of us absolutely loved it, it's really brilliant. I can definitely see all of the Scorcese influence in this, it's like King of Comedy (De Niro's character in this could easily have been modern-day Rupert Pupkin!) meets Taxi Driver meets some sort of more unsettling, psychological horror. Phenomenal performance by Phoenix (as usual). It was everything I hoped and MORE!

Probably the best comic book or "superhero movie" (I use that term extremely loosely for this) ever.
I'm still haunted by his performance. It was so brilliant. Really something special. I hope he gets that Oscar.

Alf 14-10-2019 11:54 AM
I going to the 2.25 showing, hopefully there won't be many there at this time on a Monday, I love having the cinema to myself, can't stand a packed cinema.

Vanessa 14-10-2019 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10695201)
I going to the 2.25 showing, hopefully there won't be many there at this time on a Monday, I love having the cinema to myself, can't stand a packed cinema.
Same. I prefer when they're aren't many people.

Alf 14-10-2019 04:23 PM
Very good, although not near one of the best films ever.

It was very Taxi Driver like. So it was apt to have Travis Bickle in it.

Enjoyed it, and will likely watch it again in the future.



8 1/2 out of 10

Tom4784 21-10-2019 03:00 PM
It's an excellent film that I'll never watch again. It's challenging, unpleasant, uncomfortable and incredibly well made and it reminded me a lot of 'We Need To Talk About Kevin' which I have similar feelings about.

It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.

Oliver_W 21-10-2019 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10699396)
It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.
I don't know how much my tastes reflect general audiences, but I couldn't stand any of the DC movies apart from Wonder Woman and Shazam, and Aquaman was okay. For the shows I really like Arrow, I'm mehh about Titans, I like Watchmen, and I don't like Batwoman. (not yet seen whatever ones I've not mentioned)

I never really read reviews, so if that in any way correlates with the public, or especially awards-deciders Joker might be in luck :joker:

Marsh. 21-10-2019 03:09 PM
Watched this at the weekend.

Incredible.

Tony Montana 21-10-2019 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10699396)
It's an excellent film that I'll never watch again. It's challenging, unpleasant, uncomfortable and incredibly well made and it reminded me a lot of 'We Need To Talk About Kevin' which I have similar feelings about.

It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.
As long as Joaquin wins his long overdue Oscar, I'll be satisfied.

Oliver_W 24-10-2019 04:35 PM
Apparently the steps the Joker danced down in the Bronx have become quite a tourist attraction! That could be a boon for the area - put up some nice pubs/cafes/restaurants/hotels/apartments, make it more upmarket :)

LaLaLand 25-10-2019 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10700820)
Apparently the steps the Joker danced down in the Bronx have become quite a tourist attraction! That could be a boon for the area - put up some nice pubs/cafes/restaurants/hotels/apartments, make it more upmarket :)
Yeah and the local residents aren't happy about it! :skull:

They're worried what you said may come true and they don't want that, they want The Bronx to stay authentically "rough around the edges" and sort of old school New York, no fancy stuff. :joker:

Oliver_W 25-10-2019 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 10701086)
Yeah and the local residents aren't happy about it! :skull:

They're worried what you said may come true and they don't want that, they want The Bronx to stay authentically "rough around the edges" and sort of old school New York, no fancy stuff. :joker:
Bit selfish of them :( if people are going to travel to see the Joker Steps, there should be other things there as well!

Marsh. 25-10-2019 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10701253)
Bit selfish of them :( if people are going to travel to see the Joker Steps, there should be other things there as well!
If people are travelling to see a set of steps, maybe take your own refreshments.

user104658 25-10-2019 12:26 PM
There would be a magical irony in Joker - a movie about societal rejection and disenfranchisement - sparking a small gentrification in The Bronx :hehe:.

However it would be a terrible business prospect; the film is only just out, it's not going to be drawing tourists in a year, let alone in 5.

Tom4784 25-10-2019 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10699399)
I don't know how much my tastes reflect general audiences, but I couldn't stand any of the DC movies apart from Wonder Woman and Shazam, and Aquaman was okay. For the shows I really like Arrow, I'm mehh about Titans, I like Watchmen, and I don't like Batwoman. (not yet seen whatever ones I've not mentioned)

I never really read reviews, so if that in any way correlates with the public, or especially awards-deciders Joker might be in luck :joker:
Aquaman was robbed of a lot of technical nods, the film is a 7/10 but it deserved recognition in the technical categories.

Wonder Woman was amazing but was undercut by Greta Gerwig, sadly.

There's always been an imbalance of how the media looks at the MCU and DC, DC have had missteps but there's a fair few MCU films that are at best, mediocre that never really got branded as such. You get more clicks from positive MCU stories and a lot more clicks about negative DC stories than good ones which is why Joker's pretty much been the victim of a massive push by the media to push it into the mould of a story they want it to be.

Jordan. 06-11-2019 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10690584)
Did he kill his neighbour then?
We have the answer to this now

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Joker director Todd Phillips has revealed that he originally filmed a scene that confirmed Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck didn't kill Zazie Beetz's character in the movie.

While the filmmakers have previously made it clear that Sophie Dumond (Beetz) survived, Phillips has now said that the film was initially going to feature a cutaway to Sophie watching Arthur's climactic interview with former idol Murray Franklin (Robert De Niro).

Considering his talk show appearance happened a couple of days after she'd discovered an uninvited Arthur in her apartment – and it hauntingly transpired that he'd been imagining their romance – the shot would have proved that neither she, nor her daughter, had met their untimely end in that instance.

Ultimately however, Phillips decided to cut the short scene from the movie because he wanted to maintain the film's narrative structure and also ensure that it was always told from the Clown Prince of Crime's point of view.

"He doesn't kill her, definitively," Phillips said during an interview with IndieWire. "As the filmmaker and the writer, I am saying he doesn't kill her. We like the idea that it's almost like a litmus test for the audience to say, 'How crazy is he?'

Marsh. 06-11-2019 09:56 PM
Didn't he come out of her apartment covered in blood? Icr.

Babayaro. 07-11-2019 07:45 AM
Good. I didn't think he did, seeing as he only really killed those who he thought had done him wrong/treated him badly.

Tony Montana 07-11-2019 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 10706908)
We have the answer to this now

Spoiler:

Joker director Todd Phillips has revealed that he originally filmed a scene that confirmed Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck didn't kill Zazie Beetz's character in the movie.

While the filmmakers have previously made it clear that Sophie Dumond (Beetz) survived, Phillips has now said that the film was initially going to feature a cutaway to Sophie watching Arthur's climactic interview with former idol Murray Franklin (Robert De Niro).

Considering his talk show appearance happened a couple of days after she'd discovered an uninvited Arthur in her apartment – and it hauntingly transpired that he'd been imagining their romance – the shot would have proved that neither she, nor her daughter, had met their untimely end in that instance.

Ultimately however, Phillips decided to cut the short scene from the movie because he wanted to maintain the film's narrative structure and also ensure that it was always told from the Clown Prince of Crime's point of view.

"He doesn't kill her, definitively," Phillips said during an interview with IndieWire. "As the filmmaker and the writer, I am saying he doesn't kill her. We like the idea that it's almost like a litmus test for the audience to say, 'How crazy is he?'
I do wish they hadn't revealed what had happened. I loved how it was left open to interpretation.

Tony Montana 07-11-2019 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10706939)
Didn't he come out of her apartment covered in blood? Icr.
He didn't.

Marsh. 07-11-2019 06:15 PM
I can't remember all of the details anymore, but is it possible she never existed at all?

Tony Montana 08-11-2019 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10707341)
I can't remember all of the details anymore, but is it possible she never existed at all?
It's a possibility. I mean he thought they were a couple in his mind so anything's possible. :laugh:

Tony Montana 08-11-2019 12:49 AM
A bit late but Joker is the highest grossing R-rated film of all time, beating the previous record holder, Deadpool 2.

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Joker isn't nearly done tearing through box office records.

The DC comic book film has officially become the highest-grossing R-rated movie in box office history, having grossed $788 million, The Hollywood Reporter writes. This breaks the $783 million worldwide record previously held by Deadpool, unadjusted for inflation. Deadpool 2 also grossed $785 million worldwide, but this includes a subsequent re-release.

After hitting theaters mired in controversy, Joker has been continuously impressing at the box office, getting started by shattering the record for biggest opening weekend ever for an October release. Now, it's racking up worldwide grosses on par with a major superhero action blockbuster, despite the film being a slower-paced character study in the vein of Taxi Driver, and despite not even having a release in China, where superhero films often rack up a huge chunk of change.

In fact, Joker, which reportedly cost about $60 million to make, will take in more than $400 million in profits, Deadline reports. That would make it nearly as profitable as Avengers: Infinity War, Deadline notes, a film that grossed far more but also had a significantly higher budget.

Now the question becomes whether Joker, set to surge past $800 million, can actually break $1 billion at the worldwide box office, becoming only the second non-Disney movie of the year to do so. Box office prognosticators once thought that impossible, but Warner Bros. may have the last laugh.

Tony Montana 15-11-2019 06:01 PM
Joker tops $1 billion.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/...rldwide-today/


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