Originally Posted by arista (Post 10382541)

If Labour /SNP/LibDem and Some Possible Angry Conservatives
call for a No Confidence Vote
the PM could end up gone

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382552)

This time next year, we'll still be tied the EU and We'll be in a post democracy era. That change will come with catastrophic consequences. I wonder if that was the plan all along?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10382539)

That didn't just spring up out of the ground, though, the propaganda of fear has been pushed and pushed every day for a decade or more to get people to this point. It was done deliberately and nefariously, chipping away at the public mindset, and the effects of that are now pretty clear. The same people who orchestrated that are heavily pro-Brexit and stand to gain in various ways through Brexit and that's no coincidence.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10382549)

I agree and disagree. I agree that this has been an on-going propaganda campaign for years, but it's way longer than the last decade. However, I can't absolve people of blame for buying into it; unless the seeds were there to begin with, then bigotry doesn't flower.

You are 100% correct in those that stand to gain from this mess though. Imagine all the regulations that can be scrapped to appease more and more corporations that won't have to pay taxes, with their nice MP's as board members.

All regulations that actually protect those on the bottom rung of society are in absolute and real danger.

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10382567)

get off the sherry, Alf, it's not Christmas yet :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382619)

You won't be laughing when conscription to the EU army starts.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10382625)

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382628)

Did you see the tanks with the EU logo on them that got sent to keep the French people in order last weekend?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10382635)

I'm missing the link to conscription though.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382637)

It's inevitable, how else will they get people to join?

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10382643)

Verhofstadt is a federalist :shrug: Doesn't mean anything. EU has always been a compromise between federalists and nationalists. It all depends. Some things are better addressed locally, some nationally and others internationally.
Of course politicians will wrestle over power, be it devolution or central government, central government or international body.
The trick is to divide these things wisely. Best so that they keep each other in check bc you can't trust any of them.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382619)

You won't be laughing when conscription to the EU army starts.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382649)

if you can't trust them, then shouldn't we have the power to elect and remove them?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10382654)

As a matter of interest Alf what for you as a leaver do you see as a benefit because I am struggling and I try to be open minded about it

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382662)

Who knows what the benifits could be? We can all predict anything, but psychics and Crystal balls are make believe.

The future is what we make it, but we need to make it on our own, because at the moment we're only as prosperous as the other 27 countries we"re shackled to.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10382667)

Mate, I thought Cheries question was fair and reasonable, and I was actually interested in what your answer was going to be, but that answer is illuminating, and unfortunately not in a good way.

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10382668)

What would you like to hear?

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10382673)

why do you say you're strong as the weakest member?
that's not true, there're richer and poorer countries

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10382678)

you contribute to eu, yes, but you get preferential trade access etc which generates wealth