Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10466485)

When he was alive they were happy with their non disclosure payments of million and millions of dollars. Now he's dead they're back for more. How I see it in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10466485)

Abso-bloody-lutely.

The man's dead. When he was alive they were happy with their non disclosure payments of million and millions of dollars. Now he's dead they're back for more. How I see it in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10466490)

See this is what happens people imagining stuff and adding to the falsehoods, Chinese whispers and people believing it all, it makes me more determined to stick with what the courts said.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10466490)

See this is what happens people imagining stuff and adding to the falsehoods, Chinese whispers and people believing it all, it makes me more determined to stick with what the courts said.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466493)

It was Jordan Chandler who took a non-disclosure payment of millions and he is not involved with this documentary. Neither of the men involved in this documentary received any non-disclosure payment. So this may be "how you see it", but apparently "how you see it" is based on misinformation.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10466502)

No, it's based on a deluge of misinformation.... it's all we have. No facts, and definitely no evidence...

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10466494)

If I was offered millions to say I didn't wank or have him wank me I can honestly say I would take it...then my big mouth would have to tell the truth in later years.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10466505)

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10466509)

Would you not want to protect other children from similar abuse? For monetary gain?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10466509)

Would you not want to protect other children from similar abuse? For monetary gain?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466510)

Well I mean, as controversial as it may be to say it... the two are really not related :shrug:.

Though I personally would argue that fewer than 10 of his songs can be described as "great", mostly it's just "very good for pop".

Originally Posted by Nancy. (Post 10466514)

Exactly.

I watched the documentary last night and was disgusted by how incredibly one sided it was. It's nothing but a 4 hour propoganda piece designed to help get their appeal overturned after failing to sue MJ's estate for a BILLION dollars.

No one can deny the content and overly graphic and compelling material isn't shocking, but there are so many inconsistencies and facts the director, Dan Reed chose to omit or care to check up on. We see plenty of Wade and Jimmy's family, but nobody from Michael's family or anyone to speak up for him on his behalf.

Nothing is mentioned about Wade being bitter about being tossed aside in favour of Jamie King choreographing the Cirque Du Soleil shows that he DESPERATELY wanted to do, and coming to the realization he was abused by MJ TWO WEEKS afterwards.

Nothing is mentioned about him shopping around for a book deal to reveal all about MJ after getting dropped from Cirque Du Soleil.

Just like nothing is mentioned about MJ setting Wade and Brandy Jackson up on a date - to which they embarked on a 7 year relationship but ended after she found out he'd been cheating on her with Britney Spears - bearing in mind this was the same MJ who they claimed didn't like them associating and forming relationships with girls.

It's interesting how they spend so much of the documentary going into great detail about what happened durung the sexual abuse, but don't mention ANYTHING about Michael's Vitilego or the markings on his penis / body - which is something you'd expect to be of relevance to these accusations.

It's really difficult to comprehend how both would keep going back to a man who had allegedy done such disgusting things to them. I very much doubt a chld of 7 would perform oral sex on an adult without screaming blue murder, no matter how much they said they "loved each other".

They don't mention anything about the accusers appeal currently in motion to screw billions from MJ's Estate. (despite claiming "its not about money").

There's also inconsistencies with the familes too. Like when Safechuck's Mother claimed she danced when she heard MJ was dead in 2009, yet James said he didn't reveal anything about the abuse to her until 2013?

Then in the end credits we see Wade burning his MJ memorobilia, but what they don't tell you is he had sold off most items of REAL value years earlier with Julien’s Auctions - where he originally tried to sell them anonymously, but they wouldn't let him.

There's so many more shady facts on these guys that I could tell you.

When you look at their history of trying to get money out of MJ's estate, it's clear "Leaving Neverland" is just one big propoganda piece designed to make us pity them, and hoping this documentary this will help with their appeal. Unfortunately, those who don't know anything about the accusers will believe it and that's what's worrying. It's a slap in the face to REAL victims of abuse, tbh.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10466520)

Great post Nancy, Why people are so willing to believe these too is very telling.Job done boys.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466506)

Well... it's a fact that neither of the men on the documentary received non-disclosure payments from Jackson? Unless you're suggesting that they took payment off-the-record to testify for him / stay quiet but that would be pretty damning in itself.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10466527)

No one knows, TS. You don't... I don't.... Jackson's dead so can't be interrogated... although if all the years that the FBI investigated him threw up nothing, I'm not about to believe unsubstantiated reports from people who haven't said anything until Jackson's dead and can't answer.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466530)

Do you believe that Saville might be innocent?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466515)

In an ideal world that I think we all have to sadly acknowledge does not reflect the real world.

People do a lot worse for significantly less, every single day.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10466534)

No I don't. I believe the evidence against Saville was overwhelming. Unlike this case... so I'm not sure what point you're making by bringing that up.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10466525)

I mean he slept in the same bed as strangers kids, what do you think it "tells" about people who think that's a bit suspicious? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10466539)

Yeah, I'm aware. I, too, live on planet Earth.

The question was put to Parm who categorically said he would take a payout.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466542)

Because he was dead and unable to be interrogated when the abuse became public, and also because all of the evidence is based on witness statement. Yes, an overwhelming number of witness statements but nonetheless; there is little to zero physical evidence of his crimes and he can't dispute the witness statements either. It's obviously not a direct comparison but it does show that we are sometimes happy to accept the guilt of people accused after their death and without physical evidence.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10466546)

Yes but being totally honest I suspect most people say they wouldn't take the (alleged) $20+ million, until they're actually sat with a cheque for $20+ million in their hands. Especially when there are ZERO guarantees of what will happen if legal action continues, and the case may fail on lack of evidence. 20 million dallaz buys a lot of therapy.