and then I said that chimping out over it was stupid. It's right there in the post. I was addressing all three points from the tweet.

I literally have no idea what point you was trying to make.

...she didn’t ‘stride over to one of the members’...she tried to continue her walking past of the people there when his hand went out and pushed her against a column...and he continued his physical assault of her...no one else acted with such hostility, no one else seemed to feel she was some type of threat who needed physical aggression to be stopped...I do actually find it quite worrying that a male act of such aggression and dominance toward a female would be thought of as ....’some woman being removed from a room’..../..in a not that big a deal kind of a way is how it feels...

It was an unprovoked assault.
I wish she'd press charges.

She shouldn't have been there but they were already in.
It wasn't his own property.

I say again, she made no move to him.
She made no fightback or resistance to his assault.

You have covered all too in your post.

This was in public too, it's worrying to think how he'd react in a more private setting.

It most certainly was not just a woman being removed from a room.
It was assault, unprovoked assault.

He was NOT security, he is NOT the police.

Since this was seen in public and is all across the media.
It's astounding he may get away with this not going to court.

He should at the very least never hold public political office again.

I find the veiled and clearer defence of him sickening and dismaying.
He was totally out of order and I repeat in my view this was assault.
No ordinary citizen would not be hauled into court.

The guy throwing a milkshake on Farage ended up in court and he never physically touched Farage.

I'd question if this man should be allowed to remain an MP.

Lets hope next time someone walks in and blows the bloody lot of them up, afterall it was a lady who was dressed in fine linen who could never hurt anyone.pfft no wonder people get attacked too many people turning a blind eye.

There were lots of women there and he'd seen them too.
All dressed in red.
Hardly wanting to be quietly infiltrating.
She had climate change all over her sash.

Someone walking in to blow all up including themself would not be in an entourage like she was with.

You have astounded me Kazanne.
Because if this had been a Labour MP.
You'd have been likely jumping in applauding all those jumping in to totally condemn him on here.

I'd be saying all I'm saying no matter what Party he was from, or even if he wasn't an MP at all.

A suicide bomber you say she could have been now.
Really reaching in your defence of him now that is.

The excuses being made for this one too, would be utterly hilarious if they weren't a symptom of a rapidly approaching dystopian nightmare.

Joey, prepare to be astounded again,lol,I m NOT defending the bloke,never heard of him before,i don't care what party he is from,i didn't know that either, all I am saying is when people are surprised in that sort of environment we react in different ways,sometimes when one of my kids have scared me I have reacted in a irrational way and shouted at them in the heat of that moment, yes he looked to be too rough,but the woman herself thinks its no big deal so why is everyone making it one, it's like the milkshake argument many see it as harmless which of course milk shake is but acid is not and it well have been that,surely its best to be safe than sorry,that's all,I am not defending his actions but can see it from both sides.

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You are literally defending him right after stating that you're not defending him. :think:

Honestly.
You are trying to tell me, you didn't know he was a Conservative MP.
When the very first headlines stated either Tory MP or Cabinet Minister.

I reiterate.
Had this have been a Labour MP.
You and others would have branded him a thug and representative of left wing Labour extremism.

From the first seconds of this being made known, the one clear headline was he is a Conservative MP.

Someone would need to be on a desert island not to have known that from the start.

Then you in your last section go on to make a further veiled defence of him.
The protesters were annoying but not there to harm or manhandle anyone.
He did, only him.
No one else.

She's okay about it now but was shaken at the time.
You completely unfairly overlook that.

You were absolutely right in your opening line however.
For me to prepare to be astounded again.
I certainly am and totally dismayed staring in disbelief too.

Violently handle people everywhere you go just in case they’re a terrorist says Kazanne.

100% agree. The sheer amount of excuses coming out is worrying me a lot. I mean, theres the usual tribalism thats expected but..this is really something else.

Along with people simultaneously defending this WHILE still saying milkshake throwing should earn life in prison. Really? Cognitive dissonance at its finest..

She was heading for the head of the Bank of England, and for the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Just because she was a white woman, are we to assume she wouldn't do something crazy and murderous? Are we all really sure about that?

The only people here who should be explaining themselves is the security team. Because obviously no one is going to want to the protestors to have to explain themselves, they can pretty much do as they please until it affects you personally... then it's a whole other story.

Just in case? They had unlawfully entered an event at Mansion House, she was heading toward people who could easily be described as targets... but hey, she's a middle-class white woman, she could never be a terrorist, says Withano.

Well if this thread shows anything, I’m a better judge of character than you, so.

In your own mind.

Joey I am too busy to look too deeply into things,I am not a liar I am quite upset that you of all people would think that,I didn't know who he was ,you can believe that or not I don't even know what the occasion was ,I only skim through things sometimes but I did see the incident on the news and have said several times he handled it wrong, so I am NOT defending him at all.

You’ll agree one day.

As always :laugh:

Don't hold your breath.

Be more optimistic, Liv.

Sigh.

I'm just going to post this, then you can answer it with some nonsensical one-liner and have the last word. Okay?

Mark Field MP for Chief Whip, as he is not afraid to "Put a bit of stick about"
It's what they do in the Whip's Office...

No one called you a liar.
However you always insist on others getting full facts before judging.

Every news report stated a Cabinet minister.
It's astounding anyone wouldn't just from that deduce he was a Conservative MP.

I say again.
He was NOT security.
He is NOT the police.
No one else was remotely bothered, they all just stayed sitting there.

She wasn't the only woman there, there were several and some were engaged talking with others there.
Just looking round would have shown him this was a climate change protest group.

The truth more likely is, some don't think people should now have any right to protest.
They complain about marches in the street too.

Any trouble, and its called thuggery from far left Labour members or supporters.

This was overreaction on a grand scale, his action and assault inappropriate, I'd say criminal if she were to press charges.

I really think decency is doomed in the UK when his disgraceful behaviour, ONLY his, no one else's there at all, gets any defence.
It speaks volumes about those trying to defend his actions too in my view.

I find it sickening, a disgrace.

To all who defend him all I have to say is this.

Listen and take on board what was said of his behaviour

The PM said: very concerning
The party chairman said: hard to defend

These people are well briefed, security conscious and on the same side politically.
Enough said.