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The fact is you can't, so you end the debate which is fine, except you're atempting to blame me for your short comings and I'm not willing to accept that. |
You can't have reasoned debate with irrational people and a lot of Trump's base is irrational and beyond reason at this point. I think a lot of other people who ended up voting for him last time who aren't extreme in their views have probably turned their back on him by now. The only people left on his side are the extreme elements who can't really be reasoned with.
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Trump has a base of 30% and it doesn't matter what is said, they will always support him. The moment someone throws bigot or whatever generalised insult at them, the undecided then need to make a yes or no choice .... Is he a bigot or not. Throwing that term around is a cop out, there is much more chance of someone taking offence if they even slightly agree with Trump and are by association being classed as a bigot thus bringing more to the side of Trump.
Use reasoned argument, it's not so clear cut, people don't feel the need to join with and support "the bigot". It's non polarising, it avoids creating division. At the moment, most of the dems are falling for it every time |
Don't call rapists, rapists said the concerned citizen; they won't realise rape is wrong if you call them out for rape.
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We are not politicians so we can afford talking straight
I agree that Dems need to address the same issues as trump does, but in a measured way But, they also need to call out his demagoguery and hate-mongering. |
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I’d imagine the bigot would then kick up a fuss which is probably why you’ve said what you’ve said cos the discussion will turn to squabbles. But na, they lose when they bring outdated views to the present day. |
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Regarding anyone who aligns themselves with Donnies rhetoric. I dont deny there are immigration issues all over the world but to talk of an 'invasion' and 'infestation' I dont think reasonable people align themselves with such views. |
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If an undecided voter agrees with anything that "the bigot" says, then he is by association a bigot and becomes equally offended. That's how Trump gets voters Trump uses terms like infestation and invasion because he knows it triggers the dems and makes them come back with ... you racist bas ... polarising .... because at the end of the day, there is an immigration problem, everyone knows it .... everyone knows something needs to be done .... but here are the dems calling Trump a racist bas for suggesting it Everything Trump does is planned to divide and polarise ... and with the exception of one or two like Nancy, he gets them every time. |
Sometimes a spade is a spade and calling it any different doesn't help anyone.
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His views on immigration are indeed deliberately polarizing, I agree, He knows exactly what he's doing and he's stepping it up at the moment. I think if anyone aligns themselves with this disgusting way of describing people then questions need to asked. The name calling is too much but questions definitely need to be asked. |
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Its surely a factor of everything..
Maybe not this shooting, but certainly other mass killings can have the problems of these violent games on a young mind at the forefront of its cause.. Trump's language before this event has been somewhat misguided and unfortunate but the left has jumped on this and trumps words for thier own gain..trump says infestation...the left, on all news outlets I've been watching have used that word "infestation" and added other words like cockroaches etc to make trump look disgusting.. I don't think of cockroaches when I hear that word..I think of mice or nettles in the garden.. So in summary, I do believe that violent games and indeed the Internet can have a very negative and sometimes damaging effect on a young brain..and even more so on a young brain already struggling with other things. |
I do agree that bigot is very very overused currently. Seems to be shouted at anyone who has a different view to the 'accepted leftie one'. I say this as a leftie myself too..but yeah. Have seen many instances of bigot being used for no reason other than to shut down someones opinion. Oddly enough, some of those shouting bigot are actually bigots themselves..if we go by the 'a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions' definition.
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Surprised you're a lefty...some of the violence and intoletance you have described yourself doing on here sounds more right wing than left, if that's whats to be believed of the left and right in the various acusations that are flung from side to side that is. |
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I am probably quite centre overall, but lean more left than anything else. Tbh, my views are all over the place, but tend to be more aligning with the left wing than right :joker: Would also be interested in what violence and intolerance you are talking about? :p |
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All those stories about you fighting and arguing with people in the past led me to believe what I posted. |
Ha. I can be argumentative sure. But I still tend to align mainly with the left wing. Been distancing myself purposely recently though, as I disagree with how things seem to be going..waaaaay too polarised for me and just screaming 'bigot' at someone with a diffrent opinion really doesn't work for me tbh.
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Trump is a bigot :)
And a racist and white supremacist |
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Sometimes it does need to be said, and is fairly obvious :laugh: |
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And a big orange liar and cheat, draft-dodger and rapist (according to Ivana and others) |
He may be one of those words described but it cant be denied that his balls have straddled the entire world since his presidency.
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