Next oliver will say theres no homophobia bc Graham Norton is so successful

Well i wouldn't say that was a huge issue. It's more silly than anything. If you're on a call trying to sort a problem and the person has pretty bad english, it can be annoying. I wouldn't necessarily say it comes down to race. You shouldn't have to accept not being able to understand someone.

But yeah, silly trying to 'english them up'.

He's Irish and all and from Cork, Bloody jesus!

Yes or no was an answer not what?

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

This. :clap1: Good point.

Well the customer isn't asking them to do that, the company is, they should be held responsible. But all things considered, it's not really a big deal just silly. Not sure it needs debating.

Well, I never disputed it was the company, it's racist nonetheless and the company don't create these changes for sh*ts and giggles but because of racist abuse thrown at anyone with a hint of a foreign name or accent.

I never suggested it was a "big deal". We're discussing the issue which stems from deep-rooted prejudice.

Agreed, the drunken, ignorant British who go abroad and demand the locals speak english is just embarrassing.

Yes, and alcohol is not the cause of it. Prejudice and an air of superiority is. Alcohol just makes them more confident in expressing it.

In many cases alcohol is the leading factor, not all but some. Alcohol can make a perfectly respectable person act like a complete ****head.

But, the alcohol doesn't create the sh*thead is my point. It simply lowers their inhibitions.

"A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts" and all that.

Yeah possibly. I think that's true for a lot of people, however some drunks will say outlandish things in order to hurt someone, when not necessarily believing in what they're saying.

If a white women, drunk, were to call a black man the n word, then yes it's obviously there, deep seeded or not.

However some people are just arseholes and drunkeness helps bring out their 'english entitlement'

And the "English entitlement" is xenophobia and racism, "white privilege" is an apt description too.

...the problem with labelling, any labelling...is that it detracts from the behaviour of an individual so that people don’t take responsibility for their actions either...’he’s a stale, white, male...’...that told him...well no it didn’t, it has no value at all in describing someone or their behaviour...(...it’s generally used in my understanding...)...to describe specific behaviour or someone’s prejudices, maybe..?...but all it does is detract and distract from any such things in favour of applying a label...unacceptable behaviour itself is what should be addressed, not name calling...(..sexism toward females is often a huge issue on the forum...I am just going to pop that in there also...also racism...)...

This. Especially on the last point.

Racism can happen to anybody imo, just because it statistically happens less to white people doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

This Forum has loads of Diversity
It's a Massive Forum
section for everyone.
Far better than DigitalSpy forum

You Women can handle all this

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...oh, that’s kind of pretty much what I said...:laugh:...only said so much better and succinctly...the labelling is annoying because it detracts from taking self responsibility for behaviour...

Not Toy Ammi.

I'm the same as you on that front.

However there are some people (I'm not sure on how bigger scale) who when interacting with a gay person will judge them negatively just because they're gay, and if we look at gay males they still find it risky to come out as gay in Music because of the possible negative impact on sales perceived by the singer themselves and their record label. Where as a straight person wouldn't have to worry about that, nor be worried that they will be discriminated against for being straight (if we're being honest here) and I am a straight, white male ironically.:joker:

I wish that more people would see people as equal like you do Swan (and I honestly believe that a lot of people do try to treat everybody as equal) but I am willing to bet that if myself or a black person was fighting to become the leader of UKIP (in a hypothetical scenario) that more of the UKIP MP's/voters would want me to be in charge over the black person, even if the black person had better policies and would be a better leader for the party long term, I would still receive more votes which wouldn't be right.

I'm not great at coming up with hypotheticals, but I hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make that in some circles people aren't treated equally.

...EXcUSE ME...that might be Ammi Toy, I’m thinking...

...actually that might sound a bit dodgy....as you were, ignore me...

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