The comment speaks for itself in context of the post I quoted.

As does your ridiculous aggressiveness and defensiveness.

Well it is perfectly ok unless they're doing it everyday. :shrug:

Funny how it only became subjective when I gave my perspective but not yours.

My point is people knowingly do things they are fully aware is bad or dangerous all the damn time, it's not about thinking it ok.

Again.. I did the juice cleanse to remove my cravings for sugar and carbs, I removed all sugars so my body used the viseral fat inside me as fuel as I have fatty liver disease so for me that is beneficial.
It will also help me return from my pre diabetic state quicker

One may not need to do it ...for me personally it has helped me immensely already.

That's a no then?...

I found this comment rude and aggressive, try being a little more respectful and tactful in your responses.

Still doing this kizzy? I remember you talking about this years back..

It still makes not much sense to me, however, thats because I do total water fasts instead, and the whole point of that is to get your body into ketosis, which burns fat FAST and leaves alone muscle largely. Where this, would not have that benefit, as the sugar would likely be too high to get into ketosis to start with.

But it seems to help those who try it so...meh. Also I have found, the psychological benefits of fasting in general are amazing. Its quite hard to explain, but I expect those who have done fasts understand what I mean...everythings so..clear. Its weird.

Loads of stuff thats actually rather healthy is written off as a dangerous fad. I know this from my research into water fasting, people see it as starving yourself, which is sort of right, however, you always stop it when you get a sign of true hunger, which oddly, tends not to be til a few WEEKS after starting it, as funnily enough, our bodies are not designed to be fed around the clock, and are actually able to go very long periods of time with no food at all (average body can go about 40 days with nothing bar water..much longer if overweight). It actually fixes a lot of health issues too, which was the main reason I tried it. Didn't fix me, but did lose 2 stone in a week and a half, 5 pounds of which was water weight as came back immediately, rest stayed off.

Fixes a lot of health stuff because again, our bodies naturally repair themselves with certain stuff (seems to help mostly with stuff like acne, but some people have had success with other illnesses too, my cousins swears his IBS is much better and easier to manage after a fast), and with no food, your body has much less work to do as whole digestive system is dormant, so it can get to work trying to fix issues. Its quite amazing really when you read into it, what our bodies can do if given the chance..

And yes, it does cut your cravings for crap.

Kind of a reset button in a way

My diet has been shocking in the past, pretty much living on takeaways and that. After a fast, you crave fresh veg and that for ages. For me, even the thought of a greasy burger made me feel ill for weeks. Eventually I have slipped back sometimes, but its easy to reset again, even just say..5 days fasting. I do plan on doing a 30 day one, to lose all my extra weight at some stage, just..not yet. Bit amibitious, even though the hunger goes around day 3/4, and you get loads of energy from nowhere too..

Of course it's subjective .. you claimed 'they' know it's bad for them, that's not true is it? Some people think it's perfectly acceptable as they only do it once or twice a week.
It's still a dangerous fad..you don't have to be doing something everyday for it to be dangerous or a fad.

Unlike you I don't believe binge drinking and fast food are perfectly ok just because someone isn't doing it everyday :/

Not read the whole thread so not sure what this arguments about but fasting is much better for the body than even the occasional binge drink and kebab night tbh. Our bodies are meant to fast. And its obvious if you think about it..its only recent years where foods been on tap all the time, we used to have to hunt, and that could take forever and we didn't die out. Very long periods of time 'starving' is usual for us as animals, not for us as..well what we are used to, this 2000 calories, 4 meals a day stuff that we have over and over again since birth..

There's nothing wrong with a juice cleanse once in a while as long as it's just that, once in a while. Have heard intermittent fasting is very beneficial too.

I've never done one properly but I can relate to wanting to cut stuff out and get healthier and the like and the benefits are great.

I've lost 8stone 5lbs since the Summer using an app and tracking steps/calories/water with a couple of hours in the gym a week and it's changed my life. Still got about 1.5 stone to go before I'm happy but yeah, can't quite believe I've done it. :joker:

Meh that bit doesn't matter. Waters actually best..so no nutrition at all :p

Obviously its an issue if you basically do it constantly, as thats anorexia really. But as a one off every now and again, even for a few weeks, its fine, unless you have other health issues (prob wouldnt be too safe for diabetics for example..but thats common sense) or are already very underweight.

I remember you talking about it in another thread before Vicky

Did you find water fasting hard? And did you have anything like diet soda/tea or whatever? Also did you do any exercise or even just much walking throughout the days? Did you feel weak at all??

Hi Vicky great to see you :) yep did it about 4ish years ago with great results but working shifts for years has seen it all come back slowly :(
I couldn't water fast and work and drive wouldn't feel safe to do that. (I'm in various states of ketosis, sometimes light pink sometimes darker on the ketostix) only have a small fruit one in the mornings then it's just veg.

I agree it does take some time to explain the benefits for someone with chronic inflammation or complex heath problems. Like you I see it as a reset too, a way of resting the body from the taxing job of constantly digesting so it can focus on other tasks :)

Deffo agree! I remember last time after the fast trying to eat a Mars bar, it was so sweet! It was disgusting, unfortunately I persevered with it :/

To start with, definitely. It was more the..habit of eating though than hunger. Day 2 I am 'starving though' always, but day 3 the hunger vanishes totally and I get a ****load of energy, thats when I know my body has switched to basically feeding itself off my fat stores. Took a fair few tries to get past day 1 to start with! Not now though as I know its just one uncomfortable day, then I will feel healthier than ever for ages. Some people have diet drinks and that, I didn't, I did cheat and have chewing gum once though just for something to taste! Others have said even diet drinks have kicked them out of ketosis though, so not sure if its a good idea or not.

Did a lot of walking, had at least 3x as much energy as usual, which was odd the first time as..expected to be weak. Only ever feel weak on day 2, when body is adjusting. I have not done it to full 'body shows hunger' stage yet..I always break it before that, after a week or 2. But apparently, once your hunger signs show its impossible to ignore or miss..and if you continue the fast beyond that point THEN you are starving yourself. Will get to that stage eventually, just to see. They say real hunger is felt in the throat, not the stomach too, which is interesting..

I remember spending ages taking in info to my doctor, to try and get them to supervise first one..as I was a bit skitzy with other issues..she kept telling me how unhealthy it is, meanwhile pain clinic consultant was telling me to try it as its 100% safe for me personally (not for everyone)

Theres a lot of ignorance around fasting. Its understandable, given how much its drummed into us that we should always be eating though

Haha yeah, been there. Its awful, but keep going. Then your body ends up craving sugar again and back to square one :D

Again agree, had this with my daughter before the last fast she said mum you need 2000 cals a day to function! I said is that the same for you? At the time she was 5'1 and a size 10 she said yes... so how come I'm 5'10 and a size 18 and we require exactly the same fuel? It's like expecting a truck to go as far as a micra on a litre of petrol!! :laugh:

That's really interesting. :clap1: The most I've done was like 2 days and a bit, not planned though... I was travelling in the car a lot and just didn't really feel like eating and then realised after I'd not eaten anything, just drank water and tea. I actually felt fine, not hungry/weak or anything but on the third day I literally just ate because I thought I should. :skull:

Do you feel any different when you get into keto?

Wowee that's some achievement well done!! With this wonky knee getting about is a pain which is a shame as I love walking :( but getting the weight off it is really helping, just joined a local pool as a member too :D

Not doing that this time I've learned my lesson, I just got lazy and complacent. Just eating whatevers convenient and quick at work. I meal prep now and freeze stuff as my lad works shifts too.

Massively. Thats the energetic phase, also clear mind for some reason. I can concentrate better, memory gets better, everything. In keto I feel healthier than I did in my teens tbh. Remembering how good it makes me feel is actually making me want to do it again now :laugh: The 'keto flu' stage on day 2/3 though is bad..and seems worse if your diets been ****e for a while too, its a little like opiate withdrawal actually..very crappy. Luckily for me though, that lasts a day at most then its all done and I feel great, apparently it takes a few days for some people.

Main problems I have seen have been about breaking it. A guy I know did 2 weeks water fasting,m then stupidly broke it with a mcdonalds :bored: he actually ended up in hospital. If its been a while, you need to start with watermelon or something and build back up to 'normal' eating, not just binge like hell!

That's interesting to know :clap1:

That's crazy though @ going into hopspital :omgno: I've heard about it before that you need to begin again with fruit or something light to like ease back into it because your body's not used to it

For sure, that bits generally not emphasized enough, its really really dangerous to just eat crap when you end it. As your system is not used to anything at all. I tend to use watermelon, and only one or two slices for the first day, then veg the next, takes about 5 days to break it properly for me but I am a little TOO cautious I think and you can do it faster than that.

He was in hospital as his guts just started to spasm madly..and it was very painful obviously! Ended up being in for a couple of days due to pain..and very much bollocked by the doctors as it was easily avoided by..just not being an idiot!

I feel like it's important to point out at this stage that some of the "dietary" advice being given here is ranging from inadvisable to downright dangerous. I mean... it's your body, do what you want with it, but I have to say draw a line at encouraging other people to do it.

If you want to be a healthy weight and feel good, eat whole grains, fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, legumes and lean protein and stick to that permanently. Crash dieting is dangerous and daft no matter how many internet articles tell you otherwise, and (as the people advocating it seem to be freely admitting??) almost always leads to a relapse into unhealthy eating.

Again do what you want with your own body but stop suggesting to other people that it's a good idea. It's reckless.

Amazing, you have done it in a way that you can maintain as well, lass calories more exercise is the only thing that works for me


A 30 day fast is insane :shrug:if you can fast for that length of time you should have no problem sticking to 1400 calories or thereabouts, add in 20 minutes a day of an exercise that will raise your heart rate and you will lose weight in no time :shrug:

Water fasting is not crash dieting :laugh: Only if you do it repeatedly in a short space of time, eat ****e inbetween and do it specifically to lose weight I guess..but not generally.

Its safe aslong as you have no existing health issues, and are not underweight. Best to check with GP first though, but for most people its very safe, and also healthy..

(My GP was against it though I have to say, it was my pain clinic consultant that told me to get into it to start with and gave loads of info, then she convinced GP its safe too...not random internet articles :laugh: )


Also should maybe point out, I didn't do it originally to lose weight. It was for the health benefits, and hoping my body *might* fix the problems I am having. That was the reason pain clinis consultant suggested it, as its been known to help many issues. Was a slim chance and didn't work. Weight loss was a happy side effect. Even now I do it for the high/energy I get when in ketosis rather than losing weight tbh.