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Marsh. 22-03-2021 08:29 AM

You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

Ammi 22-03-2021 08:30 AM

...my own thoughts are that Meghan’s poor mental health and the added anguish it was also causing Harry in his own well-being, were maybe being thought of as ‘a period of adjustment’ type thing by the royal establishment and something that would resolve, given time ...rather than realising how serious the issue was becoming ...and then what it all led to in the stepping back process that they’ve all gone through...

user104658 22-03-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11021634)
the concept of William being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

Ammi 22-03-2021 08:47 AM

...yeah, I’m totally with that also...hell hath no fury like a tabloid trying to run a hero/villain story...such media created ‘fumes’ trying to rival The Crown in the ratings warzzz....

jet 22-03-2021 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021653)
This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

jet 22-03-2021 09:10 AM

....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

user104658 22-03-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11021667)
Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.

Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

Marsh. 22-03-2021 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11021671)
....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

Lying about what the interview contained is futile. People actually watched it.

jet 22-03-2021 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021672)
They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.

The Queen is the boss of that institution and very much aware of everything that goes on in it. The management answer to her. If they criticize it, they criticize her.
The Queen took away their patronages, the Queen told them they could no longer carry out engagements on her behalf, the Queen forbade them from using their HRH titles. They are furious and bitter and they are damning the institution of which she is the head because they haven't the balls to criticize her directly.

jet 22-03-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021672)
Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

Well we are all talking about it, including you, even though you apparently find it snooze...
:shrug:

Ammi 22-03-2021 09:47 AM

...it’s interesting how Charles has described his mother as being ‘detached’ in terms of family relationships...that’s not to say that Anne had a similar perception but it is how perceptions can and do differ within families...and his closer relationship was always with his grandmother, the Queen Mother...she’s the one he’s spoken with most fondness and affection....and it’s appearing very similar with Harry, he speaks most affectionately for his grandmother/grandparents...but he doesn’t so much with Charles, their relationship being a lot more complex, maybe...

...there was such a potential for Harry and William to have such a close relationship with their mum of the type that would probably have not being so ‘typical’ within the Royal family ever previously...but sadly, that was cruelly cut short...

jet 22-03-2021 10:00 AM

Charles was the only one who described his mother as 'detached'. He also had difficult relationships with his father, Diana, Andrew and Edward, who he apparently was jealous of because by the time his mother had the 2 younger siblings, she had more time to devote to them than she had to bond with him as a new Queen touring the Commonwealth.
The only people he really got on with and adored throughout his life were the Queen Mum and Lord Mountbatten.

user104658 22-03-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 11021685)
Charles was the only one who described his mother as 'detached'. He also had difficult relationships with his father, Diana, Andrew and Edward, who he apparently was jealous of because by the time his mother had the 2 younger siblings, she had more time to devote to them than she had to bond with him as a new Queen touring the Commonwealth.
The only people he really got on with and adored throughout his life were the Queen Mum and Lord Mountbatten.

I'm baffled at how you can be so aware of this, and yet question why Harry has such an understandably difficult relationship with his dad. Again they are clearly a troubled family as many families are - how can you blame Harry for these relationships souring? How can you blame him for looking back over the past two generations, and wanting something different for his own family?

And I suppose, most relevantly to all of this ... ... how can you think that the issue is all some creation of Meghan? I mean taking all emotion and bias out of it and looking at it purely in an academic/historical account context, it's just PLAIN INNACURATE. Harry's issues with the family stretch back at the very least to his mother's death and, as you just pointed out yourself, are actually rooted even further back in Charles' relationships with his own parents.

How can you on the one hand be so aware of that, but on the other insist... "It's Meghan". Who he's known for a handful of years.

jet 22-03-2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021693)
I'm baffled at how you can be so aware of this, and yet question why Harry has such an understandably difficult relationship with his dad. Again they are clearly a troubled family as many families are - how can you blame Harry for these relationships souring? How can you blame him for looking back over the past two generations, and wanting something different for his own family?

And I suppose, most relevantly to all of this ... ... how can you think that the issue is all some creation of Meghan? I mean taking all emotion and bias out of it and looking at it purely in an academic/historical account context, it's just PLAIN INNACURATE. Harry's issues with the family stretch back at the very least to his mother's death and, as you just pointed out yourself, are actually rooted even further back in Charles' relationships with his own parents.

How can you on the one hand be so aware of that, but on the other insist... "It's Meghan". Who he's known for a handful of years.


Where have you gotten all this from?
I have never said Harry doesn’t have a troubled relationship with his Dad? Or that I blamed him for wanting something different. Never.
I have always thought Harry would settle in Africa, which he loves, when he wed.
It is HOW he went about the leaving and his out of character disrespectful and disloyal behaviour towards the Queen and his family since that is the problem for me, and obviously countless others. This is where Meghan’s influence on him is showing.

Harry was very close to William and Kate, his grandmother and his grandfather, to Beatrice and Eugenie. Very close. He also had many close and loyal friends.

Meghan has a history of broken and discarded relationships - old friends, none of her exes remain friends, estranged from her fathers family, estranged from her mothers family - there is a problem when only one family member it at your wedding among countless celebs you don't even know.
Now there are problems with the Royal family. If people don't see a pattern here....it can't realistically be everybody else's fault, can it?
Meghan, broken relationships and trouble seem to go together...

Ammi 22-03-2021 11:33 AM

...these are the circles it always goes around and around in, though...it’s always being said how Meghan wasn’t someone who was known before she met Harry ...she was an ‘unknown actress’../ a Z lister or whatever except for those who were Suits fans....but in a few short years, so much ‘knowledge’ on Meghan and her family etc...because those things are what the media tell us...and added to by some of her family members for financial/personal gain...and this is the same media sources that
have also told us that she’s almost straight outta Compton and that her mother is a dreadlocked African-American lady from the wrong side of the tracks ...seriously, so if a pattern can’t be seen there as well...a type of media pattern that is very familiar when the media show their disapproval of someone and want to create quite the ‘villain’...

jet 22-03-2021 11:47 AM

Meghan is certainly a chip off the old block and that of her half sister too...doing tell all's for financial and personal gain.
The only difference is Meghan started the ball rolling by refusing her father any help when he was being harassed daily by paps and not bringing Harry to meet him....and not inviting her relatives to the wedding early on instead of celebs who would be useful to her in the future. They were publicly humiliated and lashed out...and so it went on.

thesheriff443 22-03-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 11021648)
You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

I’m not interested what you think so take yourself off

jet 22-03-2021 11:53 AM

There are racists in every country, the UK is way better than many. A few racist remarks, disgusting as they are, does not constitute a pattern, especially when those same once - off remarks are often repeated as there are not many other examples to tell of in the press.

Marsh. 22-03-2021 11:55 AM

Oh well that's alright then. If it's the "same" remarks repeated and they're not inventing new ones then it's not racism.

Racism is measured on the creativity of the racist, obviously.

Ammi 22-03-2021 12:14 PM

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

Marsh. 22-03-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11021753)
...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

100%

user104658 22-03-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11021753)
...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

Yes I think at the very least, it's impossible to argue that the Palace didn't have a "far too muted" response when the first questionable stories started cropping up in the press. As Meghan said in the interview, they basically told her that she didn't have to speak up for herself because she would be protected and that would be done officially on her behalf... and then it clearly just wasn't. We know for a fact that it wasn't... barely anything official came from within the Royal camp when the dodgy headlines started. The "Never Complain" part of the status quo, I suppose. But nonetheless they made false promises there.

jet 22-03-2021 12:31 PM

There was a very firm statement indeed from the Palace regarding the racism, through Harry, her fiancee. It was said at the time he was so angry he wanted to tackle it head on himself. Nothing is put out without the Queens consent when working royals.

Tom4784 22-03-2021 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11021558)
People need to learn to accept they can’t be right all the time.

Then prove me wrong instead of crying about how most of the time, I have the right about it. This is a debate, stop whining about losing and actually try for once.

DouglasS 22-03-2021 12:58 PM

I hope those claimed to have been bullied by Meghan and if true, that they are doing okay and that their mental health is also discussed as well as Meghans.

My friends neighbour met her as a Suits meet and greet and said she wasn’t that warm, in comparison to other co stars anyway


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