No, not as far as I know. I'm using it as an analogy.

And yes, the Bond films constantly change actor.... and they've ALL been white! Just like the character in the books! But now political correctness dictates we should consider a black man for the role. And if anyone objects, they're obviously a racist.

Like Livia says he was in spying situations that would no longer make sense; e.g. Pierce Brosnan bond was at times undercover as a native Russian. If you then cast a black Bond as the SAME Bond his historical missions are "broken".

"Yeah I've been under-cover in Russia. Err... HOW you ask...? Err... umm... well... I sort of used to be white...".

Thanks TS... Even I was beginning to think I'm a racist!

I never called you racist :nono:

I just disagree with your view on this one but anyway I think we're going round in circles now.

Idris for Bond! :p

Not you Niamh... I like that we can completely disagree without calling each other names. You bitch.

Did I mention I met him on Monday? I've bored just about everyone else with the story.

haha yeah i saw you mention it alright :love: What was he like in person?

I like to keep my fiction and my politics separate basically... I love both but not at the same time. THAT is the important thing. I don't give a stuff who or what they cast or who feels offended or hurt or left out by it along the way... the escapism is more important when it comes to entertainment. Big changes break the 4th wall, they remind you that it's "just a story, just people playing pretend". And that's no ****ing fun :joker:

He was expensively dressed, smelt gorgeous and had something of the animal about him. Every woman there would have done tricks for him LOL... I only got to speak to him briefly but I definitely would have if he'd asked.

One of those rare occasions when I agree completely. I'm sure I can feel a disturbance in The Force.

mmmmmmm :flutter:

Bond's race isn't an important part of his character in the films, they are in the books but in the films it really isn't important at all. Like I said before, the Bond Books and films are different entities at this point. A lot of the actors who have played Bond really wouldn't have fit the book version if they were to do a religious adaption of them. From what I know of the character, it's only really Sean Connery and Daniel Craig's (aside from the hair) interpretations that come close to what Ian Fleming envisioned in terms of Bond's character.

James Bond in the films is like Doctor Who, he doesn't have a set personality or appearance beyond the basics because so many people have played them at this point. As long as the actor is male, can do a British accent and is capable of being charming then that's all you need really.

maybe the irish and welsh should boycott the brits as they didn't win anything last year

I love you Dezzy... even when you're wrong :-)

xx

I've never won an award, I'm boycotting everything.

same here, theyre a bunch on truth-ists

What makes me smile, going back to the Oscars, is... it's such an awfully smug opportunity for people in show business to pat each other on the back and discuss how brilliant they all are. It's a lovey-fest that means nothing, really.

its the same few dozen multi multi millionaire over-rated luvvies every year......like theres no other actors in the world with the monolithic talent of winslet, redmayne, Mirren etc the irony is movies are getting worse every year due to a chronic lack of writers and unoriginal formulaic film school directors ....bring back Hitchcock all is forgiven

Ireland isn't part of Britain so we're alright, we do have a couple in for an Oscar though :hee:

You start by saying Idris wouldnt be a good bond due to his ethnically then slightly back track by saying Colin Salmon might be Ok.

The TV spy series Alias had a top female Russian spy played by black woman Gina Torres with the back story that she was trained in Cuba. It worked. But if you say its not possible then I'll take your word for it. :thumbs:

Yes but that's the character's back-story, so it's fine.

You can't CHANGE an established character's back story once you've established it, without doing a reboot. You break the canon and in doing so kill the immersion for many people... it's that simple.

If they want a black (or any other race) Bond, in my view, they have two paths they can take:

1) Introduce another agent and explain that "James Bond" is actually one of a selection of anonymous alias titles given to agents in an upcoming Bond film; feature the new agent heavily to get people invested, and then kill off the current Bond at the end and have that new agent take on the 007 code and "James Bond" name. Controversial? Sure... but perfectly acceptable narrative-wise.

2) Reboot the series again, make a new origins movie and brand new interpretation of the source material. Then you can basically do whatever you want with any character you want.

THere are any number of ways to introduce a new Bond I'm merely pointing out to anyone who thinks its impossible that it most definitely isnt impossible. Dennis Haysbert played the leader of a crack special forces team in the Unit, he had no problems blending into certain areas as apparently that is a major issue too.

He's too cool for ****ty Cheesy James Bond anyway

I mentioned Colin Salmon because IF they went with a black Bond, he would make a better one than Idris. I think he's a better actor. In my humble opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion.

I agree. Personally I think Idris is a big enough name to sell the films on his name alone, but the hell with all that his ethnicity is wrong. I hope he campaigns for it and seriously puts himself forward as he has to be, in terms of ability and experience, one of the best to apply. Then I look forward to the backlash.

If they continued the Blade series with a white actor playing Wesley Snipes character... I'd have a problem with that too. Backstory.... like TS says.

Lets go with the best actor available who happens to be black. :thumbs:

He went from looking like Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig, so his skin colour changing is the least of the franchise's problems. :laugh:

And Connery played the role with a Scottish accent. According to the books Bond is definitely not Scottish.

So the vastly different looking actors who play Bond each iteration is fine but different skin colour is one step too far? :joker:

Bond is just popcorn fluff with daft stunts. Hardly something with an unchangeable backstory.

The books are an entirely different medium and canon anyway so they don't come into it anymore.

Straw man argument.

Colin Salmon then. Or maybe David Olewayo... a fine actor. Far superior to Idris in my opinion... although Idris is gorgeous I'll admit.

That's all been addressed pages back. Keep up, Marshy...

Have you never seen the Wire? I'm stunned anyone doesn't rate Idris as an actor after his portrayal of Stringer Bell, but we are all entitled to our opinions. :thumbs:

No, I have never seen The Wire. You recommend it, then? Might give it a go Who knows, my opinion might change. But not about Bond :-)

hypocrite

Best Tv show ever made IMO. Idris is amazing. I thought he was American after watching, his accent is so convincing. Plus the Wire is 15 years old so he's been at the level for quite a while. Enjoy. :thumbs:

straw man argument

Ahhh... 15 years ago I didn't have time to watch telly, I had a life. I will give it a watch.

After the burning car incident are there no votes for foxx?.....

Ok. :pat: