Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9264795)

the things I mentioned may not be positive things but its fact. Green card marriages happen The fact my father feeling sadness how he feels his country has gone into decline in his last years of life is a negative thing, why would I feel positive about my 84 years old father feeling sad about how life as he knows it has changed. If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker, now I find that a ridiculous thing to say, it's to do with many things changing. :facepalm:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9264803)

I never said you should feel positive.
I was responding to Cherie who said nobody said anything was negative about it.

Obviously you felt negatively about these things you've experienced so I told that was what I was referring to.

The only thing I would say is, yes, green card marriages happen. But are they a large scale problem? To suggest they are requires facts and figures. Otherwise it's just a couple of unfortunate incidents you yourself have known.

I don't really venture into this part of the forum much as every time I do I spend most of the thread having to explain the context of a discussion with one forum member to somebody else who ventures in later despite the context of discussion being there on the page for everyone to read. Therefore less time spent discussing the actual topic. It's exhausting.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9264806)

I didn't say nobody said anything negative I said no one said they were trouble :nono: no wonder you find it exhausting when you can't follow what has been said :smug:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9264803)

I never said you should feel positive.
I was responding to Cherie who said nobody said anything was negative about it.

Obviously you felt negatively about these things you've experienced so I told that was what I was referring to.

The only thing I would say is, yes, green card marriages happen. But are they a large scale problem? To suggest they are requires facts and figures. Otherwise it's just a couple of unfortunate incidents you yourself have known.

I don't really venture into this part of the forum much as every time I do I spend most of the thread having to explain the context of a discussion with one forum member to somebody else who ventures in later despite the context of discussion being there on the page for everyone to read. Therefore less time spent discussing the actual topic. It's exhausting.

Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9264811)

I have to admit, this forum is exhausting and sometimes infuriating [emoji23]

I don't have facts and figures, I was making reference that it does happen because some muslims have their spouses chosen for them so they go over and bring them back here.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9264684)

Wonder if you can get fish and chips in Pakistan?

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9264697)

LOL, it's nice to know our national dish is on the menu:hehe:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9264960)

British "culture" is/was an amalgamation of stolen traditions and cultures anyway.

That's what happens on the world, things blend together and make new history and traditions. It's always happened and always will.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9264960)

British "culture" is/was an amalgamation of stolen traditions and cultures anyway.

That's what happens on the world, things blend together and make new history and traditions. It's always happened and always will.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9264986)

I don't see much blending. Sometimes belief systems are just too different.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9264986)

I don't see much blending. Sometimes belief systems are just too different.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9264984)

Incorrect Britain has been exactly the same for several thousand years. The chippy near me has been open for over 900.

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9264999)

Belief systems and religions have evolved too.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9265019)

Clearly some a lot more than others.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9265019)

Clearly some a lot more than others.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9265044)

Which religion are you? You seem very reluctant to intergrate. Would you say you are reflective of everyone else from your religion?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265076)

Integration? :joker: Weren't we discussing Ireland on another thread?...Great example of Christian integration there. :/

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9264820)

So you see the UK having curry houses as an invasion of our culture, but think it's cute that Pakistan has fish and chip shops rather than it being, well, a lasting symbol of British colonialism? :think:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265076)

Integration? :joker: Weren't we discussing Ireland on another thread?...Great example of Christian integration there. :/

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9265092)

It was said in jest,sense of humour bypass much!! who said anything about curry houses being an invasion ? can't beat a decent veggie curry !!!

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265088)

The problems in NI are less about religion and more about being Irish Vs being British imo

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9265169)

Hilarious as we were just saying how all religions integrate with one another.


Oh wait, nobody did.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265519)

So the Catholic v Protestant thing is simply a cover?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265519)

So the Catholic v Protestant thing is simply a cover?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9265171)

Veggie? VEGGIE? You scrape that into the dustbin and get yourself a proper curry missy. :fist:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265522)

No need for the sarcasm Kizzy

The Irish in NI are mainly catholic because Ireland is mainly a Catholic country and the "British" in the Northern Ireland are mainly Protestant because Britain is a mainly protestant country. The catholics in NI are not trying to convert the Protestants or force their religious wills on the Protestants so it's not a religious war imo, they were never fighting in the name of religion, it was always a nationality and civil rights issue not a religious one. It's Protestant V's catholics because like I said Irish are more often Catholics and British are more often Protestant :shrug:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9265527)

That's how i saw it aswell.Although i did work with an Irish lad who hated protestants.He'd call them "Dem ****'n steel rods" "Da ****'n prods".

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265522)

No need for the sarcasm Kizzy

The Irish in NI are mainly catholic because Ireland is mainly a Catholic country and the "British" in the Northern Ireland are mainly Protestant because Britain is a mainly protestant country. The catholics in NI are not trying to convert the Protestants or force their religious wills on the Protestants so it's not a religious war imo, they were never fighting in the name of religion, it was always a nationality and civil rights issue not a religious one. It's Protestant V's catholics because like I said Irish are more often Catholics and British are more often Protestant :shrug:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265531)

I wasn't being sarcastic, England wasn't mainly a Protestant country until the reformation, which was a very religious thing.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265535)

The reformation was in the 16th century though, Northern Ireland was only formed in 1921, I'm talking specifically about NI

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9265523)

The issue spills over into Scotland quite a bit and I would say, certainly here at least, that it is 90% "Tribal" and has nothing to do with the actual religion. It centers heavily around Rangers/Celtic, if anything. If you asked anyone "involved" in the ... bickering ... then they would certainly say it's about Catholics and Protestants (although they would use less polite terms) but if you dig a little deeper, most of them don't follow anything religious at all. I'd say it's often more simple than being about ANY religious or political ideology of any kind... it's simply "two sides" who have been at each other's throats for centuries and pass the inherited mutual prejudice along family lines. It's not "about" anything. They hate each other 'cos they hate each other.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265539)

Yes so am I, the ill feeling goes back that far isn't that why Orangemen are called Orangemen?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9265544)

We will have to wait for Niamh to expire as well she is not from the Rebel County for nothing :laugh:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9265540)

I don't think you can say its "not about anything" :umm2: many families will have had people killed by both sides during the troubles, and going back further by the the black and tans, and going back further by the English letting people literally die during the famine.. yes for some people it might be about nothing but only if they have no family history. It is time to put it aside, and move forward that said though some people are still very angry about what happened during the troubles as evidenced by the Martin McGuinness thread and are not ready to put it aside and it is easy for me to say because I didn't lose anyone in the troubles, my Great Grand Uncle was killed by the black and tans and is remembered on a monument in my home town and I still remember my grandmother his sister telling me stories about it. I expect by the time the generations who were involved in the troubles die out and as long as there is no repeat, then in two generations time people might be ready to move on?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265547)

Once we get our Independence from Dublin, we'll let it go :fist:

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9265548)

Thank you Cherie, that is what I was trying to reference in that thread with the 'where did it start , where will it end' comment meant just that there is still a lot of anger.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9265545)

Kizzy the ill feeling is because Ireland was split in two and half the people wanted a unified Ireland and the other "British" half did not. The Orange men are just a way to show how British they are. There were actually Protestants who were in the IRA so that alone blows the theory of it being a religious war out of the water