So you do think it's on a par with mass murder or terrorism?

If the intention is to do harm it is the same intention, isn't it?

Is an elderly person's life at home worth less somehow?

No, and again (despite apparent desperation to claim that I am) I'm not making excuses for the guy nor am I saying it's wrong that he was stabbed..

... But I find the assertion that a burglary with a screwdriver (which shows willingness to cause physical harm, not intent) is as bad as mass murder or terrorism to be pretty out there. But it's your opinion and I'm not trying to force you to change it? My opinion is that, as bad as it is, it's not on that same level. We can surely agree to disagree here.

If there was no intent then you wouldn't take the screwdriver with you. There are burglaries without weaponry.

I don't think there are degrees of bad when it comes to the word murder personally, someone or someone's are dead it's pretty bad all round.

In this case I feel pretty sorry for the person who has been forced to kill someone in self defence. Now there is no intent, just horrible circumstance.

We can agree to disagree, but you ruined the sentiment and the point and weight of your post with the highlighted jibe.

It's not a jibe, it's a fact that people are constantly talking about "making excuses" when no excuses are being made. No one is trying to excuse anyone of anything.

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

I don't know why we are even arguing about this,it is intimidating to the people who have had to flee their home because of threats and flowers laid outside their home,the person to blame is dead by his own deeds really,so if his family want to lay flowers etc, fine just not where he scared and attacked two old age pensioners ,so much so one killed him,he lived by the sword,he died by the sword,take the flowers and lay them where he lived,no one then will bother removing them,

You are banging your head against a brick wall.

We like him to do that though :think:

I hope that's a royal we or someone will think we are a gang. :hehe:

Yes then we could lay some flowers!

My big fat gypsy funeral


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-send-off.html


the actual state of it


:umm2:

What a lovely send off.
Mind you some of those flowers look dodgy..sworn one was a dildo.:hehe:

TBH LT I don't think that's appropriate to this thread or fair to the woman and family of the woman who died in the article.

This post is the nasty one of the thread and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I don’t think it was started in this thread Jaxie..I think it just got merged.:shrug:

Oh well I'm sorry for the misunderstanding but not sorry for disapproving at the mocking of someone's bereavement and elderly mother.

There are some idiotic merges going on lately - a thread about Corbyn meeting with a dodgy group got lumped in with the antisemitism thread, and an unrelated gypsy funeral is now in here? whhyyyyyy

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

Oh ****..so now we all have to have the same funeral...to appease you.:unsure:

When I was a girl I knew some boys who lived on our estate and went a party. There was an argument and they were asked to leave. They went back armed, one of them with a screwdriver. A boy was killed by the screwdriver to his brain and the boy who did it went to jail. He was the older brother of a girl I was friendly with, nice family generally. He went back with the screwdriver and his intent wasn't DIY. People have been using screwdrivers as weapons for years. Sad but true.

To assume the screwdriver was taken to unscrew something is a very naive view.

The moral of this all is that when a burglar breaks in, do everything he says, offer no resistance, he is entitled to anything he wants, even carnal relations with anyone in your household.

Also, keep you trap shut and don't grass to the police

Burglary is a lawful occupation and was decriminalised by the Tony Martin case, and they are entitled to anything they want.

Also remember police advice is always offer no resistance, do not take people on.

Self defence is never a good idea, another moral of recent events in Hither Green

You were not there Sticks
His Ill wife was upstairs
with the other Criminal Punk going up to her.

Well done the 78 year old fella
Killing a wanted Criminal.

The Other Criminal Drove off in his Van
leaving the near dead other criminal in the road...............................

Give me your address I would come and rob you with your reasoning.

But the police always advise against being a have-a-go-hero

Remember this pensioner was originally arrested for murder

The police also seem to be on the side of the dead burglar by requesting the residents not to interfere with the shrine, because such interference is intimidating.

We have a topsy turvy world

Of course
not everyone is tough and brave.
But that 78 year old was looking his ill wife,
he is now a World Hero.


The Dead & Wanted Criminal
picked on other old people.

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

I hope the shrine is ripped down and not put up. The pensioner defended his home and wife so why does he get punished?

We only have one mans word for that fact.

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

Just a spanner in the works, how did it go from the old age pensioner having the screw driver to his throat to him disarming a man half his age and stabbing him?

This poor old man must Arnold swarznigger

I wasn't there so no idea. Adrenaline is an amazing hormone in a flight or fight situation. Ive heard of 7 stone women lifting cars off their kids. Its not outside the realm of possibility

True, but you are making out a screw driver is commonly used as a weapon when it's commonly use to jemmy window frames ins doors.

Where have I said it is commonly used as a weapon in what I have posted so far?

I said whether he went with intent to use it as a weapon or not if you go tooled up woth something that could be used as an offensive weapon you should be prepared to have it used against you. Im from salford and believe me a screwdriver is often the weapon of choice as it can be used to jemmy windows but is also sharp enough to do damage plus its not as incriminating as a knife if you are stopped.

Are you saying that if a stranger was robbing your house in the night with your mrs in bed you wouldn't protect her and your property....?

The trouble is, if you do, you are the one arrested and sometimes charged by the CPS...

I'd be willing to risk an arrest and charge to protect my kid

Having had my house robbed in the night whilst I was in it (before I had my son) I can tell you the violation you feel plus terror is awful. If I woke and someone was in my house whilst my son was sleeping, I would hope I would do all I could to protect him regardless of consequence

If you found out a paedo had molested your child and you went and killed them, you would still get done for murder.

Whats offensive about a screwdriver?

Nothing when using it to fix something. Everything when taking it to a victim’s house who you intend to rob in the middle of the night - especially OAPs. Sorry I don’t agree with you on this Parmy. It was a disgusting thing to do and far from being the first time he had done it. I see absulutly no valid reason to defend him.