No it doesn't go against my point, it proves my point that anything can happen, you don't know that it was a staff member either

It's highly likely to have been a staff member and staff members are being investigated. But maybe it was a transexual in the next room, faking a coma, but secretly sneaking around at night to attack people.

It goes against your point because restricting which patients are or aren't allowed on the ward would have made ZERO difference in this case... whereas making sure that the ward was generally safe and secure by being open / transparent / monitored would have stopped it from happening.

It’s like a vegetarian being afraid of someone who eats meat, well they eat meat so they might eat me.

Better not take the chance.

:joker:

Most people in hospital wards, I think I'm fright in saying, will be older people, the elderly and frail. **** them, eh? What do they matter.

No penises on female only wards. The only exception should be, in my opinion, is for transwomen who are in the process but have not yet had surgery.

The elderly and frail will be on geriatric wards so this argument is moot; it's about gender not people self-IDing as a pensioner.

I guess the issue is or maybe the question I suppose, does allowing self IDing in this situation allow it in all situations? as in is it a rule specific to just hospitals or if it's allowed in Hospitals does that mean it's allowed everywhere including places where it's very possible it would be abused like Prisons?

Firstly, this argument is NOT moot until you've seen my local hospital, and hospitals across the country.

No one's talking about people self-IDing as pensioners. Not sure how you could have reached that conclusion from what I said.

It's obvious you are not able to discuss this with me TS.

I don't know, Niamh. We should probably ask a man.

Where's Vicky? She's always so eloquent on this subject...

I know, I miss her around here :bawling:

Me too... Say hi for me if you speak to her, please x

She still posts on FB abit

Tell her to get her arse back here pdq. She's needed.

ha will do :laugh:

Oh yes, Vicky's copy-and-pasted Mumsnet ramblings are exactly what's needed to turn this thread into solid gold.

Honestly I like Vicky a lot in literally 99% of threads but when it comes to Trans issues we might as well ask on AboveTopSecret, because she was in "Taxi Driver" territory.

https://am13.akamaized.net/med/cnt/u...le-300x197.jpg

That's not very fair TS just because you disagree with her opinions on it, she knew alot more about it than most on here

A woman could attack you with a fake penis wich is more re likely to happen then a trans person doing the same.

And wot if a woman has got a cucumber in her over night bag?

My post are getting rediculus just like the argument that trans are running around hospital wards commiting sex crimes.

Who made this argument?

She did, because she (self-admittedly) spent hours reading about it on Mumsnet, where they have themselves whipped up into such a flurry on these issues that they are blown wildly out of all proportion. If you actually look at forums like AboveTopSecret, it's not that the members aren't knowledgeable, there are VAST amounts of knowledge on there and much of it is fascinating. But then they start getting angry about contrails and lizard people.

Vicky's knowledge on the subject of trans issues was completely overwhelmed by her own personal feelings on the subject.

I think you are wrong there TS. As with anyone Vicky's opinions are formed by knowledge of a topic, not the other way round, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous

I do think Mumsnet can be a bit of a hostile environment, I found myself reading alot of stuff there for a period of time but I did have to step away from it. I agree too much of one subject can make you a bit obsessive but I do appreciate her knowledge on it aswell because I wouldn't like to see this (self IDing I mean) be abused by people who are not even trans. It's naive to think that wouldn't happen imo (again not really hospitals just Self IDing in general)

No she didn’t! She just spoke more about it than most.

I do want her back in threads of other topics though.

Yeah she did

She could never even grasp the concept of gender

She disagreed with you, you mean? Anyway I'm not going to argue you with you about Vicky when she's not here to defend herself, it's not very fair on her

Well I could say the same for you in that.. she agreed with you, you mean!

But the 2nd half of your post is true so

Well you could say that but defining gender is only one part of what I meant in the post of mine you quoted anyway.

Yeh, but it is the very basic part which makes sense of the entire topic.

Not when you're talking about Self IDing and changing laws I don't think.

ETA. Which is a big part of what I meant when i said what i did about Vicky. And whether or not you agree with her opinions on what gender is or isn't, alot of the information she brought with her (and what I was mostly referring to were just factual based, no opinions)

I was talking about the trans topic in general, and I think you was talking about something specific the entire time which probs made our convo hard to follow.

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LOL...

Isn't it funny that it seems like it's only men on this forum who know about gender and assume everyone else is ignorant.

Worth a read... and I feel like the author has been nowhere near Mumsnet.

Trans rights will be durable only if campaigners respect women's concerns.
Women opposed to the trans agenda are informed by their experience of misogyny, not by bigotry, writes Kristina Harrison, a political campaigner

https://www.economist.com/open-futur...omens-concerns

Those that are worried about being attacked by a trans person in a hospital.

Like you don’t think all men think with their cocks.

And if you have a cock you dont care about a woman’s safety

I wouldnt point out Liv’s hypocrisy, she doesn’t like that too much. You’re in for it, rip.

She is afraid of the unknown.

She said she got a gay male friend, so she is not the devil, just his helper.

Like who?

so because you don't agree with her views she is not welcome in this thread?

Cherie for one, unless she back tracks, Livia is living in fear of a trans men to women.