that's murder :nono:


more pathetic anti-russia negativity :bored:

Hello mr flip flop

oh boo hoo that i don't fall for the drama queen behaviour from the ukrainians


not just vidbir is one big soap opera then



tomorrow D-Day so we'll see who's going to get proven right



really shame on how so many people fall for the Ukraine's ''poor victim'' card

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=uxbndlbing

The Kremlin and the West held out the possibility of a diplomatic path out of the Ukraine crisis, even as Russia appeared to continue preparations for a potential invasion, including moving troops military hardware closer to its neighbor.

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MOSCOW (AP) — The Kremlin and the West held out the possibility of a diplomatic path out of the Ukraine crisis, even as Russia appeared to continue preparations for a potential invasion, including moving troops military hardware closer to its neighbor.

At a made-for-television meeting with President Vladimir Putin, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov signaled Monday that Russia was ready to keep talking about the security grievances that have led to the crisis.

The comments seemed designed to send a message to the world about Putin’s own position and offered some hope that war could be averted, even as Washington, London and other allies kept up their warnings that troops could move on Ukraine as soon as Wednesday.

The fears stem from the fact that Russia has massed more than 130,000 Russian troops on Ukraine’s borders to the north, south and east. It has also launched massive military drills in Belarus, an ally that also borders Ukraine.

Russia denies it has any plans to invade Ukraine, and Lavrov argued that Moscow should hold more talks, despite the West’s refusal to consider Russia’s main demands.

The talks “can’t go on indefinitely, but I would suggest to continue and expand them at this stage,” Lavrov said, noting that Washington has offered to discuss limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.

Moscow wants guarantees that NATO will not allow Ukraine and other former Soviet countries to join as members. It also wants the alliance to halt weapons deployments to Ukraine and roll back its forces from Eastern Europe.

Lavrov said possibilities for talks “are far from being exhausted.”

Putin noted that the West could try to draw Russia into “endless talks” and questioned whether there is still a chance to reach agreement. Lavrov replied that his ministry would not allow the U.S. and its allies to stonewall Russia’s main requests.


The U.S. reacted coolly.

“The path for diplomacy remains available if Russia chooses to engage constructively,” White House principal deputy press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said. “However, we are clear-eyed about the prospects of that, given the steps Russia is taking on the ground in plain sight.”

U.S. officials said the Russian military continued apparent attack preparations along Ukraine’s borders. A U.S. defense official said small numbers of Russian ground units have been moving out of larger assembly areas for several days, taking up positions closer to the Ukrainian border at what would be departure points if Putin launched an invasion.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss information not publicly released. CBS News was first to report on the movement of the units.

Maxar Technologies, a commercial satellite imagery company that has been monitoring the Russian buildup, reported increased Russian military activity in Belarus, Crimea and western Russia, including the arrival of helicopters, ground-attack aircraft and fighter-bomber jets at forward locations. The photos taken over a 48-hour period also show ground forces leaving their garrisons and combat units moving into convoy formation.

Still, Ukrainian security and defense council chief Oleksiy Danilov downplayed the threat of invasion but warned of the risk of “internal destabilization” by unspecified forces.

“Today we do not see that a large-scale offensive by the Russian Federation can take place either on (Feb.) 16th or the 17th,” he told reporters. “We are aware of the risks that exist in the territory of our country. But the situation is absolutely under control.”

As if to show defiance, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday would be a “day of national unity,” calling on the country to display the blue-and-yellow flag and sing the national anthem in the face of “hybrid threats.”

“It is not the first threat the strong Ukrainian people have faced,” Zelenskyy said Monday evening in a video address to the nation. “We’re calm. We’re strong. We’re together.”

In that same post he also said Wednesday, Feb. 16 would be the day of the attack, however Mykhailo Podoliak, a presidential adviser, said that Zelensky was being ironic about the date of an attack, according to CNN.

The country is preparing nonetheless. Kyiv residents received letters from the mayor urging them “to defend your city,” and signs appeared in apartment buildings indicating the nearest bomb shelter. The capital has about 4,500 such sites, including underground parking garages, subway stations and basements, the mayor said.

Dr. Tamara Ugrich said she stocked up on grains and canned food and prepared an emergency suitcase.

“I don’t believe in war, but on TV the tension is growing every day, and it’s getting harder and harder to keep calm,” she said. “The more we are told not to panic, the more nervous people become.”

In a last-ditch diplomatic effort German Chancellor Olaf Scholz planned to travel to Moscow on Tuesday for talks with Putin.

One possible off-ramp emerged this week. Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.K., Vadym Prystaiko, pointed at a possibility of Ukraine shelving its NATO bid — an objective that is written into its constitution — if it would avert war with Russia.

Prystaiko later appeared to back away from the idea, but the fact that it was raised at all suggests it is being discussed behind closed doors.


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aw, not something crybaby ukrainians wanted to hear i think

So tell me Nicky, were you happy that the russians shot down a passenger plane killing hundreds of dutch people? This is the regime you are supporting

To be honest the only long term peaceful solution is to create a buffer zone (something similar to a DMZ I suppose) between Russian borders and Western allies... And to actually stick to it. The possibility of UN bases sitting right on Russian borders is just never going to fly.

To be honest Nicky Is a troll in serious debates but it’s not his fault it’s just the way his brain works.

There is no long term peaceful solution when you have putin running the country

He don’t give a dam about the uk America or Europe
He sent two of his men to the uk to use a deadly poison with no concern who it might kill.

oh yes resorting to calling me a troll just because i have my own opinion


that's what you have in good quality debates, everyone having their own opinions

So I presume all the people / businesses on the border where the Russians are camped have moved well away ??

I’m imagining a 20 mile deserted radius around the Russians


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You don’t know your own opinion I call you mr flip flop because like in the tennis thread you flop from one side to the next.

Reported Some Russian Troops have moved back



Putin is chicken

the withdrawal needs to show that it stops russia's capability to invade ukraine, which is a long way off yet

Of Course

No it is business as usual for the most part

A Nice Lady
Live on Ch5HD AM show in Kiev
showed the square she is in.
Everything as normal.

So they can’t be too concerned??


I would move my family as far away from the border / troops as possible tbh


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They have had,
this for 1O years.
The Lady Live out there on Ch5HD AM
is relaxed,
No invasion expected by them.

Most of the troop build up is concentrated on the border of areas which are already effectively under Russian control or have been in a state of conflict for years so the threat is not really a new one. If you've remained in place throughout the conflict then you're unlikely to leave now I think

Maybe if you're in the north of the country the threat is now increased as that was previously pretty safe but Russia could now invade from Belarus but it's still a massive call to make to uproot everything based on something that might happen if you've got nowhere to go and you're not sure when you'd ever return

Johnson having a Cobra Meeting, now
on the impact of Oil Prices
due to the Russian aggression.

I just read some Russian troops are being pulled back from the Ukrainian border. I hope this is true.

Yes, they had finished doing their drill.



War Expert Tim Marshall
speaking on Ch5HD AM Live, today
said it will make no difference

SkyNewsHD
speaking to reporter Joe Pike
for all broadcasters

Johnson PM out of his Cobra meeting
said Mixed Signals
he stated Russian Field Hospitals are being set up.
He said all Russian troops should be moved away from
the borders.

The British Embassy, there, is kept open.

Russia are just keeping everyone on the hop, trying to break up the universal condemnation they are facing from western governments. It's an obvious ploy. Half the german government support russia, hence why this was announced when the german leader was visiting. It's not rocket science. People forget very quickly that half of germany was part of russia and still support them massively

Russia's best bud China is hosting the whole world at the Winter Olympics... And allowing a Russian skater continue to compete despite the fact she failed a drugs test. The Russians are already competing under an ROC flag because of The country's acceptance of drugs and cheating. If kicks off in Ukraine Russia's biggest, scariest mate, China will be backing them.

for the moment yes, but that is why they made sure of a top 25 advance to the next round instead of usual top 24, in case Vallieva has to pull out after all, but for the time being no statement was made so she was able to take part in the first round

Putin is Live
in Moscow

All Media

He says Germany is his number 3
China is number 2



Germany's Olaf is there with him.




Both Live



It is a Love in

The Donbas Region of Ukraine
has Russian control

Ukraine said it will allow Donbas Elections if the Russians leave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas


Report today on Gravitas Part 1. SkyHD Ch 523


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A Russian plus China tag-team doesn’t sound tooooo good tbh


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if Russians are such cowards, then now is the time that Ukrainians have to invade Russia with help from USA and UK troops and drone strikes

Hopefully the end result will be that nobody gets invaded.

And tbh what does Russia expect to achieve, yes they have China and Belarus as allies, but do they really expect to beat USA, UK, Japan, France, Australia, Ukraine and Germany would have to join our side because of having more allies on our side than trying to maintain a decent relationship with Russia.

Basically they'd be causing havoc just to end up getting slaughtered, hopefully they can see this too.

BBC text :
[Financial Times is that France's foreign minister,
Jean-Yves Le Drian, has called for
a revamp of Europe's security framework
to "head off [a] Russian threat" across Europe.]

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CNN HD USA
Showed a satellite image
of a new bridge built across water.



[A pontoon bridge built over the Pripyat River,
less than four miles from the Belarus-Ukraine border.
Credit: Maxar]


https://news.sky.com/story/what-does...order-12542880

[Ukraine tensions:
Russia looking for excuse to invade, USA Biden says]


[President Joe Biden said military action
could begin imminently on Thursday,
but stressed that a diplomatic solution was still possible.

His top foreign policy official later listed
several ways Moscow could stage justification for an attack.
Russia said the claims were "baseless" and
accused the US of stoking tensions.
It has repeatedly denied any plan to invade
its eastern neighbour.
Moscow insists it is moving troops away
from the Ukrainian border,
but that claim has been fiercely contested
by Western powers.

"We have reason to believe they are
engaged in a false flag operation to have
an excuse to go in," Mr Biden told
reporters outside the White House.
A false flag is a fabricated attack a country stages
against its own interests in order to
justify a retaliation.
The US has for weeks been saying
that such a misdirection is part of Russia's plans.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60422103


Latest (Ch4HDnews)
Moscow has kicked out
A Top USA Embassy man.


[Russia expels U.S. embassy's second-in-command
in Moscow amid Ukraine tensions]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-...mbassy-moscow/

as much as i think it's true, after what the uk and america did in iraq with WMD, they really can't claim superiority on that one

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