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joeysteele 15-11-2023 08:10 PM

I support the Labour MPs who have acted from their conscience.
Starmer is wrong to sack anyone.

He's so wrong to be a poodle to the government's line on this issue.

Way too many innocents have been on both sides and stil are being slaughtered in this conflict.
Starmer and Labour should be standing up for them.
If any MP believes a full ceasefire is now necessary, they should be able to in free conscience vote for that.
From ANY Party.

Oliver_W 15-11-2023 09:12 PM

"The Opposition is meant to oppose"

I don't quite believe the Opposition party should stand against the Government on everything, bht they should stand against some things :joker:

But either way, there are some issues in which politicians should be allowed to vote their hearts without towing the party line, and that was one of them.

joeysteele 15-11-2023 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11389219)
"The Opposition is meant to oppose"

I don't quite believe the Opposition party should stand against the Government on everything, bht they should stand against some things :joker:

But either way, there are some issues in which politicians should be allowed to vote their hearts without towing the party line, and that was one of them.

This is one of those times I agree.

War or any other conflicts should release all MPs of ALL Parties to be able to vote in a freevote as to their own conscience.
None of this collective responsibility nonsense or Party whipped votes.

That's not a properly organised democracy.

Oliver_W 15-11-2023 10:23 PM

On the other hand, people leaving their jobs (forced or otherwise) over a foreign conflict is taking things too far.

arista 16-11-2023 12:32 AM

Sky News Text :
[The paper also covers the resignation
of eight Labour frontbenchers in a revolt
by party MPs who have defied Sir Keir Starmer
to back calls for a ceasefire in Gaza.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...5fa3c.jpg.webp

arista 16-11-2023 02:36 AM

The Scottish Labour MP

Also Voted for Ceasefire.

But he does not have to Resign.



8 Labour MP's in England all Resigned,
10 in all.


The SNP Ceasefire Vote was Lost,
anyway.


Ref : Peston ITV1HD

The Slim Reaper 16-11-2023 02:36 PM


arista 16-11-2023 02:54 PM

[10 Labour MPs who left Sir Keir's front bench
tonight after backing a ceasefire included
eight shadow ministers.

They were
Jess Phillips MP,
Paula Barker MP,
Rachel Hopkins MP,

Afzal Khan MP,
Sarah Owen MP,
Yasmin Qureshi MP,
Naz Shah MP
Andy Slaughter MP

Dan Carden MP and Mary Foy MP
also left their roles as
parliamentary private secretaries.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-Israel.html

bots 16-11-2023 03:39 PM

Andy Slaughter, there's a name for the times

Oliver_W 16-11-2023 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11390224)
Andy Slaughter, there's a name for the times

When there's no war, he calls himself Andy's Laughter.

The Slim Reaper 17-11-2023 04:36 PM

Starmers labour not only egging on the tory assault on the poor and disabled, but criticising them for not going far enough. How anyone can support these ghouls is beyond me.


bots 17-11-2023 06:24 PM

When IDS starts looking like a kind and generous man, you know labour have got a problem

arista 17-11-2023 10:44 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...5d84979b3b.png

arista 01-12-2023 07:28 AM

BBC News Text:
[The i leads on an interview with
the shadow foreign secretary David Lammy,
who says a future Labour government would
prioritise improving relations
with the European Union.
He says he would seek a "shift" in
London-Brussels ties
and work towards more collaboration
on defence and security.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp..._i-nc.png.webp

arista 02-12-2023 11:28 PM

Sky News Text:
[Sir Keir Starmer is appealing for Conservative
voters to switch to Labour - and The Sunday Telegraph
says he is piling praise on Margaret Thatcher
in an attempt to woo the right.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...fd0a2fd83.jpeg

bots 03-12-2023 04:40 AM

Sir Keir Starmer has credited Margaret Thatcher as a prime minister who effected "meaningful change".

The Labour leader said Baroness Thatcher set loose Britain's "natural entrepreneurialism" in an article in the Sunday Telegraph.

In a clear pitch to Conservative voters, Sir Keir highlighted immigration and small boat crossings as "matters of serious public concern".

Sir Keir also praised Labour PMs Tony Blair and Clement Attlee.

"Every moment of meaningful change in modern British politics begins with the realisation that politics must act in service of the British people, rather than dictating to them," Sir Keir wrote.

"Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism.

"Tony Blair reimagined a stale, outdated Labour Party into one that could seize the optimism of the late 90s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67604830

-------------------------------

:laugh:

Liam- 03-12-2023 10:45 AM

It’s like he’s actually trying to see how he can lose the election, why would someone 20+ points up in the polls need to do this? He’s just showing everyone what people have been saying he is, a Tory in a red tie.

arista 03-12-2023 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11399297)
It’s like he’s actually trying to see how he can lose the election, why would someone 20+ points up in the polls need to do this? He’s just showing everyone what people have been saying he is, a Tory in a red tie.


He does not want a Hung Parliament

Oliver_W 03-12-2023 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11399315)
He does not want a Hung Parliament

Sure. Addressing concerns like immigration, and praising entrepreneurism (especially small businesses) are both fair ways to appeal to a broad section of voters, and not overly "right wing".

But praising Margaret Thatcher(ism) isn't going to win anyone over.

bots 03-12-2023 01:23 PM

He could easily be losing votes to the point he lets the tories win. What is the point of voting labour if they are just going to be the tories under a different name

arista 03-12-2023 02:08 PM


arista 03-12-2023 10:47 PM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...e6d1cadd4.jpeg

arista 03-12-2023 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11399334)
Sure. Addressing concerns like immigration, and praising entrepreneurism (especially small businesses) are both fair ways to appeal to a broad section of voters, and not overly "right wing".

But praising Margaret Thatcher(ism) isn't going to win anyone over.


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...d19e7e8fd5.png

arista 03-12-2023 11:15 PM

Now Massive Anger on Twitter

Starmer Out
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Star...ertical=trends

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAceMxnX...g&name=900x900

arista 03-12-2023 11:24 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAcLmAVW...pg&name=medium


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