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tonysoprano0316 19-08-2012 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 5421808)
Sexual acts that can't be televised, you are only allowed to see the clean stuff on TV

So she's lying then?

You believe she's stripping off and doing all sorts in front of a webcam, fair enough, but the burden is on you to prove it otherwise it's just your word against hers.

But because you don't like her, you'll just presume she's lying to make your point.

Weak argument.

MrWong 19-08-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5421777)
And where are the sexual services she provides?

Talking to blokes on Skype is a sexual service?

Where is your proof of the sexual services she provides?

No proof. Just alot of hot air.

Seriously, if she was performing sexual acts on the webcam there would be clips of her doing that all over the internet. Even a tabloid story.

I'm wondering where all the 'we should judge them on how they are in the house' posts have gone. That's usually the line taken when stuff is alleged but not proven.

tonysoprano0316 19-08-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 5421840)
No proof. Just alot of hot air.

Seriously, if she was performing sexual acts on the webcam there would be clips of her doing that all over the internet. Even a tabloid story.

I'm wondering where all the 'we should judge them on how they are in the house' posts have gone. That's usually the line taken when stuff is alleged but not proven.

Exactly, it's not hard to record Skype videos.

Which lends credence to the theory that all she's doing is talking to these blokes, and when you think about it, if she is catering for a niche market as opposed to being "just another XXX cam girl" then she's going to rake in more money.

You really think the kind of lad who watches a XXX cam girl online is going to be the type of person who can afford a £100,000 necklace or an Audi?

They will all be horny, skint students.

If she is appealing to middle aged, lonely blokes who happen to have wads of cash in the bank then she's going to rake in some of that money.

Buck 20-08-2012 10:27 AM

Personally, I don't have any objections to prostitutes or porn stars. In those cases, it's a clear deal between customer and supplier. But what Danica does is actually just exploitation. She doesn't offer any favour to the men in return for the money she gets. That's what makes it so disgusting. She lives on the overexpensive telephone charges of Babestation etc. Plus she gets the things she has on her wish list, because some naive or miserable guys buy the stuff for her. Danica needs to be quite ruthless for not feeling pangs of conscience because of all this crap...

Livia 20-08-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 5422528)
Personally, I don't have any objections to prostitutes or porn stars. In those cases, it's a clear deal between customer and supplier. But what Danica does is actually just exploitation. She doesn't offer any favour to the men in return for the money she gets. That's what makes it so disgusting. She lives on the overexpensive telephone charges of Babestation etc. Plus she gets the things she has on her wish list, because some naive or miserable guys buy the stuff for her. Danica needs to be quite ruthless for not feeling pangs of conscience because of all this crap...

I can confirm that from a legal standpoint, she is probably guilty of receiving swollen goods.

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 5422528)
Personally, I don't have any objections to prostitutes or porn stars. In those cases, it's a clear deal between customer and supplier. But what Danica does is actually just exploitation. She doesn't offer any favour to the men in return for the money she gets. That's what makes it so disgusting. She lives on the overexpensive telephone charges of Babestation etc. Plus she gets the things she has on her wish list, because some naive or miserable guys buy the stuff for her. Danica needs to be quite ruthless for not feeling pangs of conscience because of all this crap...

I agree with this.

It is fine disagreeing with and even being disgusted by what she does.

But it is not prostitution, she is clearly cashing in on wealthy, presumably lonely men who need an ego-boost which they get from chatting to her on Skype and showering her with gifts.

Yes it's an illusion, yes the men are quite sad and desperate, yes she should question the way she makes a living, but it's not prostitution.

And please, can people stop saying "it's a form of prostitution", it's not.

If you are going to call Danica a prostitute then you HAVE TO level the same criticisms towards Jasmine who as I said previously, makes a career out of sleeping with rich famous men before selling the stories to the highest bidding tabloid.

It's pure double standards if you are labelling Danica a prostitute while displaying a Jasmine avatar.

Livia 20-08-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422535)
I agree with this.

It is fine disagreeing with and even being disgusted by what she does.

But it is not prostitution, she is clearly cashing in on wealthy, presumably lonely men who need an ego-boost which they get from chatting to her on Skype and showering her with gifts.

Yes it's an illusion, yes the men are quite sad and desperate, yes she should question the way she makes a living, but it's not prostitution.

And please, can people stop saying "it's a form of prostitution", it's not.

If you are going to call Danica a prostitute then you HAVE TO level the same criticisms towards Jasmine who as I said previously, makes a career out of sleeping with rich famous men before selling the stories to the highest bidding tabloid.

It's pure double standards if you are labelling Danica a prostitute while displaying a Jasmine avatar.


I hate to be argumentative, especially with someone called Tony Soporano... but it is prostitution. She is selling sexual favours for profit. It's a simple as that.

GiRTh 20-08-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5422539)
I hate to be argumentative, especially with someone called Tony Soporano... but it is prostitution. She is selling sexual favours for profit. It's a simple as that.

Agree with this. Some prostitutes receive no money only gifts - for tax purposes I believe. This is not much different from what Danica does. I agree that anyone supporting Jasmine cannot possibly call Danica a prostitute but lets not dress it up here; Danica receives gifts for giving her 'time' to people. That is a form of prostitution.

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5422539)
I hate to be argumentative, especially with someone called Tony Soporano... but it is prostitution. She is selling sexual favours for profit. It's a simple as that.

Where is the sexual favour?

I didn't realise Skyping constituted sexual favours.

I assumed a sexual favour could only be performed in person?

And if you mean via webcam, she doesn't do anything besides talk to them.

did you even watch the programme?

The reason she makes so much money is BECAUSE she is exploiting a niche market, BECAUSE she is JUST talking to them.

She's talking to lonely blokes who obviously have issues talking to women so they shower her with gifts to obtain the illusion that a pretty girl actually gives a toss about them.

If she was just another "XXX hardcore webcam girl" she'd be making very little as there are hundreds of thousands of girls doing that, why do you think she left Elite TV?

But again, even if she WAS naked and performing sexual acts on cam, it's still not prostitution.

That's like calling strippers prostitutes.

Last time I checked, stripping was legal, prostitution was illegal.

MTVN 20-08-2012 10:56 AM

I think she's closer to being an escort than a prostitute, in that as Mr Soprano says her clients are likely to be depressed and lonely men who are more interested in the companionship and personal interaction, you wouldn't buy expensive gifts for someone purely for stripping off when there's any number of amateur webcam girls out there who offer that. We dont actually know for certain how far she goes on her skype talks but in any case she's not actually having sex for cash which is what prostitution would be

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 5422547)
Agree with this. Some prostitutes receive no money only gifts - for tax purposes I believe. This is not much different from what Danica does. I agree that anyone supporting Jasmine cannot possibly call Danica a prostitute but lets not dress it up here; Danica receives gifts for giving her 'time' to people. That is a form of prostitution.

Sorry but this is getting murkier and murkier, so if I was talking to a female friend on Skype, and bought her a gift because I was feeling generous the female friend becomes a prostitute?

The wish-list is exactly that, a wish-list, the blokes don't HAVE to buy her anything, it's not a "buy me a necklace and get five minutes of my time" deal.

The blokes are stupid enough to buy the gifts, she puts up the list on the off chance someone buys her something, yes it's tacky but it's not prostitution.

Kizzy 20-08-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422549)
Where is the sexual favour?

I didn't realise Skyping constituted sexual favours.

I assumed a sexual favour could only be performed in person?

And if you mean via webcam, she doesn't do anything besides talk to them.

did you even watch the programme?

The reason she makes so much money is BECAUSE she is exploiting a niche market, BECAUSE she is JUST talking to them.

She's talking to lonely blokes who obviously have issues talking to women so they shower her with gifts to obtain the illusion that a pretty girl actually gives a toss about them.

If she was just another "XXX hardcore webcam girl" she'd be making very little as there are hundreds of thousands of girls doing that, why do you think she left Elite TV?

But again, even if she WAS naked and performing sexual acts on cam, it's still not prostitution.

That's like calling strippers prostitutes.

Last time I checked, stripping was legal, prostitution was illegal
.

Exactly my point yesterday, if you use the analogy that anyone who provided tittilation was a prostitute you would emcompass strippers, lapdancers, pole dancers, burlesque performers ... It's just silly.

Livia 20-08-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422549)
Where is the sexual favour?

I didn't realise Skyping constituted sexual favours.

I assumed a sexual favour could only be performed in person?

And if you mean via webcam, she doesn't do anything besides talk to them.

did you even watch the programme?

The reason she makes so much money is BECAUSE she is exploiting a niche market, BECAUSE she is JUST talking to them.

She's talking to lonely blokes who obviously have issues talking to women so they shower her with gifts to obtain the illusion that a pretty girl actually gives a toss about them.

If she was just another "XXX hardcore webcam girl" she'd be making very little as there are hundreds of thousands of girls doing that, why do you think she left Elite TV?

But again, even if she WAS naked and performing sexual acts on cam, it's still not prostitution.

That's like calling strippers prostitutes.

Last time I checked, stripping was legal, prostitution was illegal.


You seem to know a lot about her career. Anyhoo...

Danica represents what is in effect the "acceptable face of prostitution". Young girls feeding the fantasies of lonely men for money. Because she doesn't have full sex does not mean she is not prostituting herself. Because she is not a drug-addled streetwalker turning tricks for blokes in cars, she is still on the same scale as every other women who accepts payments for sex acts, and that includes showing her bits to someone while they wank. Trying to make her out like she's some innocent is a little naive.

For the record, I don't disagree with prostitution of any kind and think all the girls involved in the sex industry would be safer if it was regulated. But

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5422553)
I think she's closer to being an escort than a prostitute, in that as Mr Soprano says her clients are likely to be depressed and lonely men who are more interested in the companionship and personal interaction, you wouldn't buy expensive gifts for someone purely for stripping off when there's any number of amateur webcam girls out there who offer that. We dont actually kniw fur certain how far she goes on her skype talks but in any case she's not actually having sex for cash which is what prostitution would be

This is true, I wouldn't call her an escort personally because she doesn't ever meet the blokes in person or accompany them anywhere, which by definition is what an escort is, however she is definitely closer to that definition, but nowhere close to that of a prostitute.

The blokes pay to speak to her and interact with a pretty girl, yes it is tacky that she makes money this way, most people think this, but it is a far cry from having sex for money.

Not only do they never meet, but there is also no sexual aspect within the conversations she has with the men.

Livia 20-08-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422554)
Sorry but this is getting murkier and murkier, so if I was talking to a female friend on Skype, and bought her a gift because I was feeling generous the female friend becomes a prostitute?
The wish-list is exactly that, a wish-list, the blokes don't HAVE to buy her anything, it's not a "buy me a necklace and get five minutes of my time" deal.

The blokes are stupid enough to buy the gifts, she puts up the list on the off chance someone buys her something, yes it's tacky but it's not prostitution.

No. But is she agreed to show you her bits and pieces and talk dirty to you while you masterbate, but only if you sent her something - cash or gifts it's all the same - then she would be prostituting herself.

Livia 20-08-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422559)
This is true, I wouldn't call her an escort personally because she doesn't ever meet the blokes in person or accompany them anywhere, which by definition is what an escort is, however she is definitely closer to that definition, but nowhere close to that of a prostitute.

The blokes pay to speak to her and interact with a pretty girl, yes it is tacky that she makes money this way, most people think this, but it is a far cry from having sex for money.

Not only do they never meet, but there is also no sexual aspect within the conversations she has with the men.

Bullsheeeeeet.

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5422558)
You seem to know a lot about her career. Anyhoo...

Danica represents what is in effect the "acceptable face of prostitution". Young girls feeding the fantasies of lonely men for money. Because she doesn't have full sex does not mean she is not prostituting herself. Because she is not a drug-addled streetwalker turning tricks for blokes in cars, she is still on the same scale as every other women who accepts payments for sex acts, and that includes showing her bits to someone while they wank. Trying to make her out like she's some innocent is a little naive.

For the record, I don't disagree with prostitution of any kind and think all the girls involved in the sex industry would be safer if it was regulated. But

Didn't take long for a little jibe did it?

The statement "the acceptable form of prostitution" is stupid too.

Glamour models pose in erotic, suggestive poses wearing very little and usually topless, these shots are printed in magazines such as Nuts, Loaded, FHM and Maxim.....they are then purchased by young men who presumably are using them for some form of sexual gratification.

Are glamour models working in "the acceptable form prostitution" too?

What about Rihanna? What about any number of female pop stars who write around suggestively in their promotional videos?

Are they prostitutes too?

Titillation is NOT prostitution.

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5422563)
Bullsheeeeeet.

Any proof for this?

Or is it just more baseless conjecture?

GiRTh 20-08-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422554)
Sorry but this is getting murkier and murkier, so if I was talking to a female friend on Skype, and bought her a gift because I was feeling generous the female friend becomes a prostitute?

The wish-list is exactly that, a wish-list, the blokes don't HAVE to buy her anything, it's not a "buy me a necklace and get five minutes of my time" deal.

The blokes are stupid enough to buy the gifts, she puts up the list on the off chance someone buys her something, yes it's tacky but it's not prostitution.

As I pointed out - lets not dress it up - obviously if you're talking to a female on Skype then she's not a prostitute but is that all that's happening here? It'd have to be one hell of a chat for me to give her a 170 grand necklace. She is aware of what she's doing and must realise what people are going to think. If the blokes are dumb enough to give her money to 'chat' then if thats fine by her then I certainly dont have any complaints. But, bottom line she's selling her 'time' for money.

Buck 20-08-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422549)
If she was just another "XXX hardcore webcam girl" she'd be making very little as there are hundreds of thousands of girls doing that, why do you think she left Elite TV?

Just aside from the discussion: I don't get why the kind of thing Danica does (I don't know how to call it actually) is more attractive to men than actual hardcore webcam girls. In fact, she receives more money for nothing - compared to porn performers etc. In plain terms: Why waste time and money on her instead of doing/watching the "real deal"?

Ellen 20-08-2012 11:16 AM

It may be wrong to some but it is still not prostitution, she does not perform any sexual acts or receive any for money or gifts.

tonysoprano0316 20-08-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 5422568)
As I pointed out - lets not dress it up - obviously if you're talking to a female on Skype then she's not a prostitute but is that all that's happening here? It'd have to be one hell of a chat for me to give her a 170 grand necklace. She is aware of what she's doing and must realise what people are going to think. If the blokes are dumb enough to give her money to 'chat' then if thats fine by her then I certainly dont have any complaints. But, bottom line she's selling her 'time' for money.

As I said, there are a lot of lonely rich blokes in the world who (clearly) wouldn't think twice about splashing out.

It's obviously a fetish, the man with no self esteem but a large bank account is given an ego-boost by chatting to a pretty girl who normally wouldn't give him the time of day.

I imagine when she is bought a gift, she then gushes and thanks the bloke on the other end of the webcam for being "such a nice, generous guy".

Yes, she may be selling time, but until she is selling sex she's not a prostitute.

If there is no evidence to suggest she is stripping for these men on webcam, let alone sleeping with them then it is unfair to label her as such, and it is the height of hypocrisy for someone like Jasmine to label ANYONE a prostitute when you take into account how she makes her living.

Livia 20-08-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tonysoprano0316 (Post 5422566)
Didn't take long for a little jibe did it?

The statement "the acceptable form of prostitution" is stupid too.

Glamour models pose in erotic, suggestive poses wearing very little and usually topless, these shots are printed in magazines such as Nuts, Loaded, FHM and Maxim.....they are then purchased by young men who presumably are using them for some form of sexual gratification.

Are glamour models working in "the acceptable form prostitution" too?

What about Rihanna? What about any number of female pop stars who write around suggestively in their promotional videos?

Are they prostitutes too?

Titillation is NOT prostitution.

I wasn't really jibing you, just a little gentle piss-taking. It's what happens on here... in a friendly way. And there is nothing about my post which is "stupid".

Anyhoo, I said "the acceptable FACE of prostitution". And no, posing naked in lads mags, and writing around in music videos is not the same thing unless they say,"you can only watch this if you send me a present".

I did my dissertation on the Obscenities Act focusing particularly on women working in the sex industry. No one doing what Danica does for a living is ever going to be prosecuted, but it doesn't mean she isn't prostituting herself for gain.

Livia 20-08-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 5422578)
It may be wrong to some but it is still not prostitution, she does not perform any sexual acts or receive any for money or gifts.

Yes it is and yes she does.

the truth 20-08-2012 11:23 AM

I have to fall down on the side of livia here, it is a form of prostitution, but as soprano says, what jasmine does is pretty much the same thing


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