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arista 04-03-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6740981)
People are dying here of fuel poverty in the winter it will be magnified there, and I never mentioned America....

I know
but they want you to hear them
on this story.



fuel poverty
can change in time

Z 04-03-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6740864)
Is it right to do this though from a humanitarian perspective, they will effectively be an oligarch then? We have the option to heat or eat here, and it's bad enough, even though what we call poverty here will seem like luxury there. I'm guessing in the Ukraine if they do hike the gas price then people will die?

It's fairly immoral but a lot of capitalist practices are. If the EU had a joint policy regarding energy prices then it would limit Russia's ability to wield energy prices as a weapon at least in EU territory and would hopefully cause a chain reaction of reform so that Russia stops doing it to other European states which aren't in the EU. The gas trade at the moment is a bit of a coordination game, whereby countries are relying on Russia to choose to provide gas at affordable prices in order to maintain good business, but ideally it'll become a collaboration game, whereby any temptation to hike prices up essentially gets cancelled out because it would be raising the prices for hundreds of millions of people and if they refused to pay then they lose out on an entire market. The thing about Ukraine's gas prices is that Russia is also extremely lenient about receiving payments on time and will often takeover infrastructure in lieu of payments so it still gains and also has a tighter grip on the country. Very shady practice.

King Gizzard 04-03-2014 06:38 PM

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-2014030484238 :joker:

arista 05-03-2014 09:27 AM

Russia Today presenter hits out at Moscow over Ukraine


Please Do Not Sack Sexy Abby.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-c...12/12/abby.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...crimea-ukraine


[An American RTHD anchor on Russian state television has
delivered an emotional rebuke of Moscow's intervention
in Ukraine and criticised the media's biased news coverage.
Russia Today responded by saying it was sending
Abby Martin to Crimea so she could
learn more about the situation.]

lostalex 05-03-2014 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6742177)
Russia Today presenter hits out at Moscow over Ukraine


Please Do Not Sack Sexy Abby.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-c...12/12/abby.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...crimea-ukraine


[An American RTHD anchor on Russian state television has
delivered an emotional rebuke of Moscow's intervention
in Ukraine and criticised the media's biased news coverage.
Russia Today responded by saying it was sending
Abby Martin to Crimea so she could
learn more about the situation.]


sending her for "re-education". It really is the USSR all over again.

Nedusa 05-03-2014 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6742177)
Russia Today presenter hits out at Moscow over Ukraine


Please Do Not Sack Sexy Abby.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-c...12/12/abby.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...crimea-ukraine


[An American RTHD anchor on Russian state television has
delivered an emotional rebuke of Moscow's intervention
in Ukraine and criticised the media's biased news coverage.
Russia Today responded by saying it was sending
Abby Martin to Crimea so she could
learn more about the situation.]

Oh Well...........that's the end of that Job........shame really !!!

Kizzy 05-03-2014 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6741148)
It's fairly immoral but a lot of capitalist practices are. If the EU had a joint policy regarding energy prices then it would limit Russia's ability to wield energy prices as a weapon at least in EU territory and would hopefully cause a chain reaction of reform so that Russia stops doing it to other European states which aren't in the EU. The gas trade at the moment is a bit of a coordination game, whereby countries are relying on Russia to choose to provide gas at affordable prices in order to maintain good business, but ideally it'll become a collaboration game, whereby any temptation to hike prices up essentially gets cancelled out because it would be raising the prices for hundreds of millions of people and if they refused to pay then they lose out on an entire market. The thing about Ukraine's gas prices is that Russia is also extremely lenient about receiving payments on time and will often takeover infrastructure in lieu of payments so it still gains and also has a tighter grip on the country. Very shady practice.

That is more or less what he said, he said Ukraine owed over a billion for feb and they were in danger of defaulting, so maybe thats the plan? they don't have to invade then if they control from within.

arista 05-03-2014 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6742260)
Oh Well...........that's the end of that Job........shame really !!!


I hope not

Z 05-03-2014 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6742277)
That is more or less what he said, he said Ukraine owed over a billion for feb and they were in danger of defaulting, so maybe thats the plan? they don't have to invade then if they control from within.

Exactly. Why would they annexe the Crimea into Russia's jurisdiction when they can have a presence in Ukrainian politics instead? That's why I don't think there'll be any separatist movement. The Crimea will remain part of Ukraine but always be under Russian control.

Nedusa 05-03-2014 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6742565)
Exactly. Why would they annexe the Crimea into Russia's jurisdiction when they can have a presence in Ukrainian politics instead? That's why I don't think there'll be any separatist movement. The Crimea will remain part of Ukraine but always be under Russian control.

Actually I think the Crimea will become a self governing Autonomous region. Russia will definitely push for this outcome as at present they have to pay Ukraine $90M a year for the privilege of using the Military bases there.

If they can move the Crimea away from the Ukraine then they stand to gain financially.

Liberty4eva 06-03-2014 03:06 AM

I hate how we're calling Putin Hitler for doing something that was relatively mild compared to what we did in Iraq.

That Russia today reporter is obviously looking for a job on another television network.

lostalex 06-03-2014 03:27 AM

A second RT(Russia Today) News anchor has spoken out...

She says, that as an American, she cannot continue to whitewash the truth for Putin. Her grandparents escaped Russian brutality in Hungary to give her a better life in the USA.

Liz Wahl, we salute you. This is what balls of steel look like.

I'm proud of her. and I bet her grandparents are too.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...on-air-ukraine


MTVN 06-03-2014 07:32 AM

Silly woman

arista 06-03-2014 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743450)
A second RT(Russia Today) News anchor has spoken out...

She says, that as an American, she cannot continue to whitewash the truth for Putin. Her grandparents escaped Russian brutality in Hungary to give her a better life in the USA.

Liz Wahl, we salute you. This is what balls of steel look like.

I'm proud of her. and I bet her grandparents are too.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...on-air-ukraine





I hope FoxNewsHD give her a Job
or CNN America

I can understand why she has left.

lostalex 06-03-2014 07:47 AM

I expect to see Piers Morgan on RT soon, he can take her spot lol

he's a toad, he would fit right in. he'll say whatever the Russians tell him to.

arista 06-03-2014 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743487)
I expect to see Piers Morgan on RT soon, he can take her spot lol

he's a toad, he would fit right in. he'll say whatever the Russians tell him to.


CNN still have him for something
as long as he is not upsetting Americans


So he may get another late night show
a last stand

lostalex 06-03-2014 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6743484)

I can understand why she has left.

Why do you think she left? and what do you respect about the reasons she resigned?


I think it's important for you to elaborate on these things. It's important for everyone to understand why we should respect her decision, don't you think?

arista 06-03-2014 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743490)
Why do you think she left? and what do you respect about the reasons she resigned?


I think it's important for you to elaborate on these things. It's important for everyone to understand why we should respect her decision, don't you think?



Because her family
would have told her,
but she knew it was a Putin funded station
before she signed up


Its great RT America is running now

lostalex 06-03-2014 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6743492)
Because her family
would have told her,
but she knew it was a Putin funded station
before she signed up


Its great RT America is running now

because of her family? she's not a muslim, she isn't controlled by her family. She is a successful woman with a career. you honestly think she was pressured by her family?

I think it's clear listening to her that she felt that as a journalist she was being asked to spout lies on behalf of Putin, and she refused. She refused to let her mouth be raped by Putin's propaganda. She has her own voice now.

Anderson Cooper gets to the bottom of this issue! If you can't trust Anderson Cooper who can you trust?


arista 06-03-2014 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743493)
because of her family? she's not a muslim, she isn't controlled by her family. She is a successful woman with a career. you honestly think she was pressured by her family?

I think it's clear listening to her that she felt that as a journalist she was being asked to spout lies on behalf of Putin, and she refused. She refused to let her mouth be raped by Putin's propaganda. She has her own voice now.

Anderson Cooper gets to the bottom of this issue! If you can't trust Anderson Cooper who can you trust?



I think that was part of it
Yes clever of AC to get her on his show

lostalex 06-03-2014 08:21 AM

I wonder what you would do in her situation...

Would you speak up, like her? If you knew that you were being used as a mouthpiece for Putin?

I'm asking you Arista...... WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

http://n.b5z.net/zirw/z18b2/i/u/6810...1/0829wwyd.jpg

arista 06-03-2014 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743499)
I wonder what you would do in her situation...

Would you speak up, like her? If you knew that you were being used as a mouthpiece for Putin?

I'm asking you arista/ WHAT WOULD YOU DO?


No I would keep my Paid job
and follow the stations instructions
even if it upset me.
Paying the Bills and keeping money
and my company car would go above morals.


I would take out my anger on the Adult Game GTA5 on PS3
by killing cops



Life In The City

lostalex 06-03-2014 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6743500)
No I would keep my Paid job
and follow the stations instructions
even if it upset me.
Paying the Bills and keeping money
and my company car would go above morals.


Life In The City

you realize that means I can't trust anything you say from now on right? you basically just said that you will say anything that benefits you, regardless of the truth.

don't you feel ashamed to say that?

arista 06-03-2014 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 6743501)
you realize that means I can't trust anything you say from now on right? you basically just said that you will say anything that benefits you, regardless of the truth.

don't you feel ashamed to say that?


No because I am Honest on here
I put all my cards on the table on tibb



If you work at RT
you know its funded by Russia and Putin,
before you start

lostalex 06-03-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 6743502)
No because I am Honest on here
I put all my cards on the table on tibb



If you work at RT
you know its funded by Russia and Putin,
before you start

i wonder how honest now. not completely honest.


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