Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7123054)

She used to wear braces. Bet she was bullied for wearing them too. :(

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7123084)

People support Ashleigh and want her to win, great - good luck to them. But please, this whole thread has contained similar stuff to this statement all along. There is no hard evidence that Ashleigh has been bullied let alone any context for it. And if she was bullied, well, she sure has recovered well from it because there is not one ounce of someone who has been brow beaten in her youth in her character.

Support Ashleigh, but please base it on reality rather than some cutesy world version of it

Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7122988)

The Ashleigh haters are without question the most vitriolic people on any forum. Their arguments are invariably flawed as well.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7123108)

Not as flawed as your "BB wants Ashleigh out" thread. Comedy gold that was. :joker:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7123045)

I am not writing venom about Ashleigh, I don't really care for her as I cannot stand 2 faced people, something someone bullied I would have thought would set out to avoid doing at all.

I have every right to put my point as to her as I see what her actions are in the house, not out of it, and I don't like what I see,I have never made a thread about Ashleigh because I don't care for her, you however cannot resist any little dig at Helen even as to her son and herself as a Mother recently.

However, those who dislike Helen have every right to say their thoughts from their perspective of watching her in the house just as everyone else can about Ashleigh too.
Ashleigh was not forced to go on BB, she applied and chose to and if she does things people find offensive, ignorant and 2 faced, she will get that criticism rightly levelled at her just as Helen's gets too.

A teenager, come on jet, Helen is hardly collossus,teenagers can say plenty with no fear at all to people older than them.
I considered myself an adult at 18, Ashleigh is also one, or are you saying she isn't.
She is also an equal housemate,so for me,in that case, if she has to have special consideration since she is 'only 18', (that old chestnut again),then no way should she be or should she have gone in the BB house at all.
It is never a picnic for anyone in the BB house and she well knew that before she went in I would dare bet.

You say did I expect a teenager to stand up against Helen,who you claim to be a bully which is to me incorrect anyway.
Yes, I would expect her to, she is on TV monitored by BB,what on earth could happen to her if she stood up to anyone, nothing at all.

If she has been bullied in life as you state, then how really sad and bad of her to then victimise Ash just to get at Helen, by attempting to wreck his chances in the series by manipulating others to make sure he stayed up for eviction.

I tell you this, if she has really been bullied in her past, then sadly she hasn't learned anything at all from that other than be nasty to others herself too.
That shouldn't inspire admiration and respect for her,it should bring out contempt in my opinion.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7123168)

Firstly, you must have missed the posts I made about Helen NOT being a bad mother when people were saying she was for going into the house and her son getting stick at school. I said ONE thing about feeding her son burgers and you are on it like a fly on ****.

I do not get in every little dig at Helen, believe me if I wanted to I could do what the Ashleigh detractors do and go after her non stop - there is plenty about Helen to go after her for. I dislike her so of course I will criticize her behaviour but I don't do it a fraction of the amount Ashleigh haters do with her. If you searched my posts you will find most of them are defending Ashleigh and unfair vitriol against her in threads about her and relatively few criticizing Helen.

Secondly, will you please please look up the definition of two faced. Ashleigh bitched about Helen, but did not fawn over her to her face which is NOT being two faced.

I just don't get your posts about Asheligh/Helen I'm afraid. I find them puzzling and close minded. To you she is 'spiteful and two faced' and 'she needs her roots done' and you never look beyond that. For example, I responded to your post and gave my view but you didn't even bother to respond to the points I made or discuss the content - you just picked those things you could criticize her for and ignored anything that might be positive.
I think it best if we agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't respond to you on this subject again. I know what you think of her and I really see enough hypocrisy here without reading any more.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7123108)

Not as flawed as your "BB wants Ashleigh out" thread. Comedy gold that was. :joker:

Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7123177)

Three times they put her in a vulnerable position and then even after the public voted her PH they got her up for eviction. Doesn't suggest a great liking for her to me.

And now they're trying to get Chris to "straddle her"

Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 7123004)

Just an observation. I thought you didn't approve of bad language.

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7123131)

Yeah because the producers just love Ashleigh and Chris don't they? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7122949)

Well said.

BTW by way of an experiment I have been back as far as I could go and counted how many Ashleigh lovers there are on this site.

Out of hundreds and maybe thousands of people that actually submit to this site, I can only find 23 that have positive things to say about her. That's a hell of a lot of noise from only 23 posters and more recently the most verbal, and at times vitriolic, number only 8.

I started to count those that disliked Ashleigh and I gave up when I got to over 50, so I think we can assume that Ashleigh lovers are in the minority but are the most infatic when it comes to posting.

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 7123247)

Bit of a **** experiment tbh.

Ashleigh 43.7%
Christopher 17.5%
Chris 12.3%
Winston 7.9%
Helen 6.4%
Pav 4.8%
Ash 4.7%
Mark 2.7%

Total votes: 828

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 7123191)

He doesn't approve of an 18 year old GIRL swearing, its ok for anyone else.

Kind of an ageist sexist post on how girls Ashleighs age are expected to behave.

Its just a whole load of contradictions from people who cant stand her yet spend most of their Sunday afternoon talking about her.

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 7123247)

Bit of a **** experiment tbh.

Ashleigh 43.7%
Christopher 17.5%
Chris 12.3%
Winston 7.9%
Helen 6.4%
Pav 4.8%
Ash 4.7%
Mark 2.7%

Total votes: 828

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7123068)

Ashleigh and Ash hated each other at the start. "Victimize" Ash :facepalm: She made him a target because at that time he was one of the nasty housemates. Team Bully: Helen, Ash and the rest of the cool kids gang. We only see a fraction of what goes on in there. Only last night they edited out the part where Ash was talking about Jale in the garden. Upload he says "Jale was a twat, at the time". That was completely edited out for main highlights show. The producers are always on the side of the bully, that is why they push Helen and Ash gang and protect them. Just like they protected Conor and rewarded him with £50k when they realized they couldn't win. The producers are nasty and they support their own. Nasty housemates get a good edit, nice housemates get a bad edit.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7123168)

Firstly, you must have missed the posts I made about Helen NOT being a bad mother when people were saying she was for going into the house and her son getting stick at school. I said ONE thing about feeding her son burgers and you are on it like a fly on ****.

I do not get in every little dig at Helen, believe me if I wanted to I could do what the Ashleigh detractors do and go after her non stop - there is plenty about Helen to go after her for. I dislike her so of course I will criticize her behaviour but I don't do it a fraction of the amount Ashleigh haters do with her. If you searched my posts you will find most of them are defending Ashleigh and unfair vitriol against her in threads about her and relatively few criticizing Helen.

Secondly, will you please please look up the definition of two faced. Ashleigh bitched about Helen, but did not fawn over her to her face which is NOT being two faced.

I just don't get your posts about Asheligh/Helen I'm afraid. I find them puzzling and close minded. To you she is 'spiteful and two faced' and 'she needs her roots done' and you never look beyond that. For example, I responded to your post and gave my view but you didn't even bother to respond to the points I made or discuss the content - you just picked those things you could criticize her for and ignored anything that might be positive.
I think it best if we agree to disagree and leave it there. I won't respond to you on this subject again. I know what you think of her and I really see enough hypocrisy here without reading any more.

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 7123043)

Just look at all the comments of Ashleigh hate on forums, facebook, twitter and youtube. They all the same, full of hate and venom

Why is Ashleigh nasty if she bitches about a bully being nasty to others? Is it because they don't care about the bully being nasty? It must be people who enjoyed seeing Helen being a nasty bully, so when Ashleigh bitched about Helen, they started to hate on Ashleigh because she was bitching about their hero bully

If I bullied my niece and her friends bitched about me and said nasty things about me, would you hate on me or my niece and her friends?

If I saw my niece was in a mood and I started to bait her until she lost her temper at me, would you hate on me or my niece?

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7123319)

Really sorry Achilles but that is wrong, at the time of the all female pwer week and Ashleigh orchestrating the other women against saving Ash, Ash had not done or said anything really unpleasant at all to Ashleigh.
She only wanted to make sure Ash stayed up for eviction because she knew Helen was desperate to try to spare him that.

That I am sorry is a fact and you have said many things as an Ashleigh fan that have been balanced in many ways but I am sad you overlook that fact.
She only seized the all guys up for eviction week to use Ash to get at Helen in that particular week.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7123335)

Being 2 faced is saying unpleasantries and/or lies about someone else to someone else behind their back while never saying it to the person/s in question face.

That is exactly what Ashleigh did as to Helen for one, she was caught out doing so in the vt playbacks,something that even prompted Kimberley too to agree after she had seen and heard Ashleigh that she was the most 2 faced.

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7120957)

Her mother is notorious on twitter for being pushy and the word from people in Derry that know the family say they are a bunch of fame hungry idiots.

Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7122920)

Thank god you are not a lawyer, lol. It isn't up to me to disprove you, you made the post and if your claims are to be believed IT IS UP TO YOU TO PROVE YOUR STATEMENT.

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7123339)

like helens all saint :umm2: