Its always the way

If you think you are both right AND righteous then you can spill all the bile

Witness this thread

Sadly it's true... It's a shame really.

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Looking at the poll is why you folks who say your vote will make no difference could make all the difference :nono:

It is really. As I'm writing this, Labour / SNP / Greens total 13 votes and Tories / UKIP total 14, which makes it near enough evenly split in my book.

There are also two votes for the Lib Dems but in all honestly, who knows where the **** to place those these days :shrug:. I don't think even the Lib Dems know...

People who vote Conservative/Ukip tend to be more discreet about it I think because it can easily lead you to being shouted down or open you to accusations of prejudice or just being a horrible bastard who hates the poor/foreigners/gays/etc. There can be quite a lot of hyperbole around that - I mean, to associate Ukip with neo-nazism is just nonsense. On the other hand I completely understand why a lot of people don't like the Tories and Ukip. I voted Tory on the poll because I think I'm a conservative more than anything else though that wouldn't mean I agree with everything the party does or says. I actually think the Conservative party has lost its way a bit; Cameron has had to go back on quite a lot the modernising principles he used to espouse and its now a much more fractured party than Labour are. I also have a lot of respect for the Lib Dems and think they have done a good job at moderating the Conservatives and giving them some policies that actually make them look like the modern, one nation party that they claim to be.

It's not something that's set in stone for me though, I can easily see myself voting Labour in the future, dependent on circumstances. I really don't like tribal loyalties to political parties and feel it only ever works as a distraction. Politics in general can be far too tribal and heated when it doesn't need to be. It's sad that people often don't feel willing to reveal their political leanings because of potential backlash, or because it might lead to fallings out.

"David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods"

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Very well said!

Greens, because I don't hate immigrants and I believe in a fair society. :)

It depends on which negatives you can handle more.

Tories - Attacks the working class, the NHS, and the disabled, and privitise everything.

Labour - Extreme Islamic lovers, privitising the NHS, and bad Economic management.

Green - Looney left.

UKIP - Looney right that wants Store Policies to go back to the Medieval Times, and would have us have no allies if we pulled out of Europe and we would lose loads of money because of it as all the big businesses would pull out.

SNP - They don't benefit me because I live in England.

Plaid - The same as the SNP.

Lib Dems - They don't even have policies.

And none of the other parties have any chance of getting elected.

So what a choice for us the public to choose from, the lesser of evils.

Labour

Tbf I think that a lot of the left wing posters haven't voted on the poll as they hang around the Chat & Games section too much.:joker:

Something tells me you don't follow politics very much. The fact that you dismiss parties with petty insults proves that you have nothing to say against them. Labour - islamic extremist lovers?? Theyre a lot of things I don't like but you cannot claim that.

Not extremist, extreme Islamic lovers, there is a difference.

And the Green Party want to give us everything for free, but where would they get the money from?

And can I vote for the SNP and Plaid to represent England? Because the last time I checked I couldn't.

And show me a policy that the Lib Dems have stuck too?

I think that my post made perfect sense tbh.

Well they have policies. Whether they stick to them is another thing lmao (because we all know they didnt last time)

Now as for the greens, nothing is underfunded. That is scaremongering from the establishment. You cannot vote for SNP or plaid but that doesn't mean they wont affect you.

Labour also doesn't love extreme islamic lovers so please source that.

Fair enough on your other points.

But you keep misunderstanding the Labour part, they themselves are extreme Islamic lovers, that's the group that they support on everything and allow them more leniency than any other group in the UK.

Source, please.

There's no source to prove it.:laugh:

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

Participating in Eid makes you an extreme muslim?

You are NOT ready to learn about ISIS. :laugh:

No it doesn't.:joker:

But allowing them to have two Festive Holidays where they can take time off whilst everybody else only really has the one is very unfair imo.

And what's ISIS?:hehe:

It was also true however that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were the ones running Birmingham City Council for many years,that also didn't do anything about that Mock, and the Councils are much closer to such issues than govt:.

Labour only recently,in the last year or 2, wrestled Birmingham Council from the Conservatives and Lib Dems,who were running it together for ages.

I could agree however that there is an imbalance as to some religious tolerance of some, while not wanting to open up a religious battle here, lets say Christian children no longer get what are called sort of holydays off while those of other faiths in some areas or cases likely do.
I do get where you are coming from.

However, if you think Labour had or have any intention of really privatising the NHS,well see what happens if the Conservatives get their hands on the NHS for another 5 years.
It will be clearly seen,once their hidden agenda towards the NHS comes forward again,after the election is over, what privatisation will really take place.
Not this time as a stopgap,or small holding in the NHS but throughout it completely.

While maybe it is right or not to hold Labour responsible for the crisis that hit almost everywhere in the financial world, due to the bankers creating the banking/financial crisis and in part contributing to the global recessions that came with it.

Labour had, to be fair, 11 continuous years of growth and no recessions between 1997 to 2007.
The criticism I would make of Labour was not of economic incompetence but lack of investment in the economy, even when it wasn't needed to invest in it,to ensure protection for any dark crisis that may come along.

I wouldn't say their my "favourite" party, but my family have always voted Labour.

Firewire, may I please ask since it says you are in Glasgow, are you finding any real change as to your family's voting intentions there at all.

I'm not FireWire but, also, my dad was born and raised in Glasgow and lives there again now. He's voted Labour for the last 42 years unshakably, but is now firmly SNP. I also remember that he was still firmly Labour / anti-independence at my sister's 30th birthday (as we had a mini debate about it) which was three years ago - but was MASSIELY pro independence by the time the referendum was held.

Possibly also interesting to note that he also worked within the NHS for nearly 40 years and during his last 10 years of work was heavily involved with RCN work and still is involved there semi-regularly even though he has been retired for a few years now. His opinion is essentially that the Scottish NHS's only real hope is in being protected by the SNP, that it is still at some risk under Labour, and that the wider UK NHS under the Conservatives will be completely and utterly screwed.

That's very interesting.
I do have friends and family in Scotland who are also definitely changing their votes to SNP.
They were mostly Lib Dem before however.

The ones who voted Labour last time, I am finding they are looking strongly at the SNP but feel on the day they will still more than likely vote Labour on the day.

It is just all the pundits say there are loads of undecided voters in Scotland still at this time,so I was curious.
I cannot fault your Dad's view that the SNP have done good for Scotland and the NHS there too.
The NHS will always have issues here and there and things going wrong but I give full credit to the SNP for their efforts as to it.

Thank you very much for sharing that info ToySoldier.