Corbyn speaks of Industry
that I like

His brother is a well known weather charlatan

It really is a mess

Before the launch of his “better business” plan, Corbyn said he would champion entrepreneurs and small businesses. “The current government seems to think ‘pro-business’ means giving a green light to corporate tax avoiders and private monopolies. I will stand up for small businesses, independent entrepreneurs, and the growing number of enterprises that want to cooperate and innovate for the public good.

“My ‘Better Business’ plan will level the playing field between small businesses and their workers who are being made to wait in the queue behind the big corporate welfare lobby the Tories are funded by and obsessed with.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-entrepreneurs

Corbyn seems to be a mixture of George Galloway and Tony Benn but lacks the charisma of either, the Tories are going to have so much ammo to throw at him if he becomes leader

He had a meeting with an activist... when he's selling arms to despots you should worry *cough* tory *cough*

I agree with most of what you say MTVN.
I myself, cannot see Jeremy Corbyn appealing enough to the one party state there almost is now in the far South of England,that near dictates not only policy but also who is the govt of the whole of the rest of the UK now.

However,I can see him actually winning back past Labour voters from UKIP, and even moreso starting to get the message to and pull back some support from the SNP as well.
If he could even achieve those 2 things, then this govt could find itself in trouble should that success come to fruition.
Can I see him winning an election outright, not at this time and I still doubt in the future too.

However,whatever the Conservatives rightly or wrongly throw at him, he for sure will be able to fire loads back at them and it does seem, he is seen as a man of integrity by a good number of voters now for his performance in this leadership election, so he will be more likely to be believed in such scenarios.

I think Jeremy Corbyn would be amazing, he's one of the most honest and down to earth leadership contenders in a while, and I can vote for the first time in 2020, if he wins then I am almost definitely going to vote labour (despite being a member of the green party).

I know a lot of people my age are excited about him too. He's just offering common-sense policies that are not only pratical but also compassionate, many of which are already in place in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.

I will refer to the complete failure of Michael Foot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot

Similarly to the left of the labour party and ended up a complete failure. The press will attack Corbyn each and every day that he is leader of the party. It will be unrelenting.

the problem with the leftwing, in britain, is that, they would sell are way of life too the highest bidder, and would give a token of appeasement, for their marxist cause, labour will never get rid of the enforced political correct, multiculturalist policy, that has turned us into a banana republic, labour wants mass-immigration, and too enforce eu membership, beyond the european border, this will backfire badly, and will end up having ethnic civil wars, that would make bosnia and ukraine look like a small skirmish, corbyn and labour are in huge denial about the bad decisions, that the party made, and they are a party that is stuck in a cement of their own ideologies, I think they are heading for a lib dem style election, because they refuse to ditch their marxist blair ideologies, that have not benefited the hard working british people,

I have to say I am surprised at how many people of 16 to 17 there are who are like Jeremy and say they would vote for him.
What you have said in your post,is what I am hearing a lot now from those who will have a vote in 2020.

I do think all you say is correct.

However, this is I think a world away from the election of Michael Foot in the 80s.
The press reigned supreme at that time almost and he was advocating policies virtually no other party would even entertain.
It resulted in a split in the Labour party but this time really, there is nowhere for any disgruntled MPs to go to now.

No one in their right mind would now want to join forces with the Lib Dems, after them propping up one of the most heartless govts since 2010 to 2015 and then following the massive rejection of the Lib Dems in the last election.

The re-nationalising idea of Gas,Electricity, Rail and water services,does seem to carry some weight with a lot of voters.
Even in the far South,I find a great deal of discontent with the way the water companies fail to invest and keep on top of problems.

The EU will not be the issue it was in 2015,with a decision made so that will be off the agenda.
There may just actually be little for the press to really justify against Jeremy Corbyn and somehow I feel they may get a backlash were they to only make it really personal as they did against Michael Foot ad Neil Kinnock.

So it could more likely be that those unhappy with the leadership election result just have to get on and all work together against this govt.
I think Jeremy would also be more likely to have his front team out there making the arguments and not controlling all by and for himself.

He will,were he to be elected leader,and 'if' still be there more importantly at the 2020 election,be the one with a whole new message for the future,built on ways of the past.
It does seem less and less now feel that privatisation of the utilities services was a good thing with hindsight,he may just really strike a chord on that and again more importantly be believed to be able to do something about reversing it.

In 2020,the UK will either be having to really alter and plan the new way of working and healing the rifts in the EU if the UK votes to remain in,or,in my view disastrously,have a whole new plan for the UKs future if the vote is to leave the EU.
It may just be at that time, it is the time to have radical and big change which possibly only he and Labour will be offering at that point.
Regardless of the press who often will blow where the wind is blowing anyway hence the Sun coming out for Tony Blair in 3 elections,which they never likely would have done for any other leader of the Labour party.

I really don't know how things will go,I am of the ever growing view that maybe a Jeremy Corbyn leadership would not be the disaster many think or even hope it will be.
He may just confound all the critics and he can come across as very persuasive,especially when he never avoids questions on anything.

What I find interesting about the lets nationalise everything debate is that it has gained a lot of traction with the young, and those are the very ones that did not experience those industries when they were previously nationalised. They could only be described as dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.

I have no issues with certain industries and services being nationalised, but it needs to be a new form of nationalisation. One that brings with it accountability, targets, etc etc etc. We just cannot afford a whole series of money pits like we had previously.

I agree with all that in your second paragraph.

Oddly enough, it is a personal view thing obviously, I wasn't around when we had the state run utility industries, however my Parents who were,just to mention 2,now believe that privatisation was the biggest con to the consumers ever and they both would,with all the faults there were, prefer to see the utility services back under state control too.

Swings and roundabouts I guess.
However if they could be run for investment,overheads and a small profit,rather than lining the pockets of the foreign owners of the utility services,then I would be all for it.
Also we would know then who to get at if prices rocketed too as they have been for many years since privatisation.
I think Jeremy Corbyn strikes a chord with an ever growing number of people on this issue.

Already too, Andy Burnham has stated, as he has believed too for some time, as to re-nationising the railways.
This is an issue that could be seen as a challenge and a step worth taking,who else other than Corbyn may be offering that.

5 years is an eternity,he has a good while to prepare and convince people of all his ideas and plans,were he to win the leadership.
The UK could be in total chaos by 2020,depending on the EU result and then whatever may be demanded from the Scottish parliament after that too.

Why were these utilities and railways attractive to the private sector? Because they were lucrative, they weren't running as a cartel whilst nationalised, a nice balance somewhere in the middle would turn a profit without exploiting both the workforce and the public.

Corbyn said that he wanted the rails nationalised adding "it should be run by the people, for the people". He also criticised the way that they were national previously, if i remember correctly.

I mean, surely it's better to have profit going back into the service (or the NHS or something) to improve it rather than an already rich person's pocket?

I am about to vote online :thumbs:

security code part one and two and... it's done

i wish tony blair could be labour leader again, he was good.

um???? iraq war???

i hope this is sarcastic

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Yes a few days back he cleared
it up On a Exclusive Ch4HDNews
interview.

He has been around all sorts
thats why he is Far better
than the 3 LabourTory Lites

Definitely

I mean the whole point of opposition is to propose something different, not a watered down version of the party in power. Who would vote for that??

Nice To have you back JoshBB
thats what I told Joey
we must have a Clear Blue water
between Conservative and Labour
they are not meant to be the same.

Yes exactly. When the two parties try to imitate each other it really makes people wonder what the point in voting is

you've never made a mistake?

and either way the world is better without Sadam. At least we gave the iraqi's an opportunity to have democracy. it's not our fault they ****ed it up.

No it was a Falsehood
total corruption to help GW Bush,
Blairs mate