Nobody singled out Nikki as the only culprit, though. :conf:

She was one of them, and this discussion happens to be about Nikki and her nasty traits, so her role in Shahbaz's bullying (which you still haven't actually properly addressed) will naturally come up.

No excuse to say "manbeast" (though she did express regret at this so I don't hold it against her as much).

Oh, the opposite is true. Nikki's role is widely forgotten / glossed over because of her popularity. She's not as all "crucified for it", far from it.

Yes?.. who this time has physically taken it upon themselves to isolate Harry?.. in the clips from last night she was sat right where Helen was, so it's obviously not her.

It's not, because Helen picks on the weak and innocent for no good reason. Nikki has a bit of fun with an inflated ego.

Nikki such a queen

'I know you are but what am I?' is what you're basically saying.

Do try harder, I've explained why Nikki is different to Helen, you're just repeating what I'm saying without the context. You are reaching.

I can't remember anyone trying to compare Helen and Nikki? I haven't seen anyone say they're just as bad as each other, just that what Nikki has done, along with her track record, doesn't fit the whole 'sweetness and light miss innocent, butter couldn't melt' routine.

:love: Princess Nikki (you should watch that on youtube it's hilarious)

The group mentality that year was absolutely shocking. Even saint Pete had a part in it

I remember Nikki saying something along the lines of 'lets hide his clothes, that will hurt him more' with a manic grin on her face.

However, Nikki appears to have grown up a lot. I really disliked her back then..I don't mind her now. As I have said I find this both cruel but funny at the same time. Helen on the other hand is just as vicious as ever. She doesn't try to hide it either and seems proud :umm2:

I felt Liam alluded at it despite Richard being his BB7 fave (I love Richard but he was awful in week 1)

RE Shahbaz I don't think Nikki had a problem with him but she went along with the crowd which is bad don't get me wrong but again nearly everyone did it

Pete was the only one who treated Shahbaz as a human :love:

Who ever said Nikki was sweetness and light or miss innocent? Everyone knows she's a total diva

Yes, because Shahbaz was quite literally insane. He needed to be removed from the house for the safety of others.

He never stood up for him at first though, which tbh made him nearly as bad as the ones actively trying to hurt him :S

Yes, I have. The post I was quoting was responding to a post specifically highlighting Nikki's nasty moments in BB7, hence why I'd expect a "defence" of her to actually consist of more than "Helen was worse".

She's also been spiteful and malicious, but let's forget all about that because she happens to be funny at other times.

The difference being, if i can't find a reason to excuse my favourites behavious, i don't excuse it, no matter how much I like them

Where as I loathed everything about Aisleyne, her personality, her fake ghetto black girl wannabe act. Granted she was a good housemate, but I found her very overrated. She's not a BB legend, but she did have an impact.

I do agree that everyone involved were as bad as each other, I don't at all think Nikki was any worse. My problem is that she wasn't any better either, and the amount of glee she took out of the nastiness really stuck out too.

Nikki kinda sucks sometimes and Helen really sucks all the time, idk what there is to debate about :shrug:

Spiteful and malicious. :laugh:

I don't like Jack but idk I think she's being a bit mean convincing him he's loved and he's going to find out he's not, I mean if put myself in his position he's in now I'd be gutted to get boos.

Although I can't say I'd be deluded enough to believe I was popular

Yes. :joker:

If specifically saying you want to do something to "hurt him more" isn't malicious, I've no idea what is.

Jack has put himself in that position though...

Do you ever consider what it was actually like to live with Shahbaz? It doesn't justify it, but seriously... Some people are so determined to make a victim out of people, they don't care how unbelievably irritating a person is and the possibility that they really did bring their own isolation on themselves (unlike Harry)

This is quite spiteful but it is funny

The main point here though is that the hatred for Jack from both the legends and the fans is completely over the top and unjustified. He really isn't that bad a housemate. Especially when Cristian exists

Being voted the winner in the first (?) week...I can see why hes so full of himself. However, he should know the BB audience is fickle as ****..and rarely do early faves remain popular