Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973303)

The £100,000 should go to the housemate who has contributed the most to each individual series. It's not (or at least it shouldn't be) a Mr Nice Person contest.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973323)

That is up to you.

But why can't I, and others, choose to include other information when we decide who to vote for.

Who made you the boss?

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973303)

It's the unwritten rule of the show, I mean it's pretty much common sense. What's the point in watching the highlights or even in the show existing if we're going to decide who our favourites are and who should win based on the housemates personal lives? We don't have cameras following them for years before they enter the house, it's completely irrelevant. The premise of the show is to watch a bunch of strangers inside a glorified television studio for a couple of months and to see how they interact and judge each of them based upon that. Their jobs, friends, families, private lives are all totally separate from their actions on the show itself and none of it is relevant when it comes to judging who is or who isn't a good housemate (note, the clue is in the name, housemate inside the house, not person outside the show).

Celebrity Big Brother is an entirely different ballgame, but even then I would hope that most people judge each of the housemates on a blank slate based upon what they do inside the house, I certainly do. That is, again, the entire point of the show and putting them in there. The civilian run is different, we don't know them and there's no reason to not judge them all on an equal pedestal. Fishing for outside information on contestants on a reality show is quite frankly just obsessive and pathetic and proves that some people take television way too seriously.

The £100,000 should go to the housemate who has contributed the most to each individual series. It's not (or at least it shouldn't be) a Mr Nice Person contest.

As for the Cameron question, yes, yes it would have been irrelevant. I haven't seen BB4 but heard he was boring, so that's more grounds on which to not deserve to win than anything he believes in or did/does outside of the show.

On one final separate note, what on earth is the problem with visiting prostitutes? :umm2:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973331)

Why are you not responding to the post I made to you?

You can do what you want. But I can think it is petty, obsessive, irrelevant and goes against the entire point of the show. And I do. Because it does.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973333)

If the underlined bit is true then why does rylan put the nominees friends and family in a boxing ring each week and get them to persuade us to not evict them? Hmm?

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973333)

If the underlined bit is true then why does rylan put the nominees friends and family in a boxing ring each week and get them to persuade us to not evict them? Hmm?

Why are we shown VTs in which they tell us about their lives and jobs?

By the way, the prostitute thing refers to the fact that cameron claimed to be a virgin.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973337)

.....by talking about how much more the housemates have to offer THE HOUSE and any aspects of the housemates we have yet to see on screen.

But it's all about the house.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973347)

Their friends aren't in the house. Why involve them at all?

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7973329)

eh I don't think it's this clear cut and the circumstances for deciding who wins are dependent on what happens throughout each series. Like, say what you want about Sam Evans (I know I have) but I was thrilled when he beat Dexter, who served the same function as series-ruiners Ziggy, Darnell, Siavash, John James, and Aaron. Rachel Rice is my favorite winner ever because it's the most satisfying narrative: a bunch of freaks treated her like a monster because she was normal and kinda and likable and didn't have a raging personality disorder, she could not possibly give a ****, and then she overcomes all her haters and wins. On a season like BB12, where I ****ing hate the narrative of the series and almost everyone involved, I was rooting hardcore for Alex and Tom because they were the ones least connected to it. Some years I simply root for my favorite like Deana and Gina. This year has been a complete trainwreck so I think Sam would be a very fitting winner. The circumstances of each series change my thought process for it all.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973344)

Because they are there to support them and try and justify why they should be kept in based on what they have done in the show and can contribute to the show in the future. The inclusion of friends and families in that point was mainly regarding the people who like to also pass judgement on them as if it's at all necessary.

So that we can get a bit of background info on them before they enter the house? It's pretty self explanatory :umm2: it's either that or just let them walk in which I wouldn't be opposed to either, in fact maybe it'd stop the endless discussion and insults about what they do and don't do.

Fair enough. But still, irrelevant to what he contributed (or didn't contribute) to the series itself.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973349)

Because they're watching and following it like the rest of us and are putting their views across, which is pretty much what BOTS is for, the opinions of different people from random audience members, family members to the "panellists".

We're not in the house either, yet here we are on a forum dedicated to the show and discussing it.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973355)

You missed a bit:

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973352)

It is totally relevant. Cameron won on the strength of being a gentle, moral, religious virgin. If he was really a satanist and prossie lover then he wouldn't have won.

Why weren't you complaining when all of Marc's tweets were being exposed?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973358)

Jack did a pretty good job of addressing that section. I won't waste time repeating the same answer.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973360)

Yes he would, because from what I gather he didn't choose to show this ~satanist prossie lover~ side inside the house, so again, it is totally irrelevant. Had he shown it, yes, you're right, he probably wouldn't have won. But he didn't, so he did...based on what he did inside the house. That again brings us to our point of housemates being perfectly entitled to fake a persona on the show, it is a gameshow and all that matters is whether or not that persona is interesting to watch and/or contributes anything to the show.

And before you start trying to paint me as a Danny lover and a Marc hater as you have done with everyone else, please check my profile favourites list.

I made a post the other night condemning all of these endless Twitter exposing threads for all of the reasons I have listed in this thread. It's rather disturbing.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973365)

I don't think he addressed it at all.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973373)

Well, yes he did address it, whether you agree with it or not is separate.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973374)

I didn't see him address it. Which post was it in?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973375)

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=181

He posts about the relevance of VTs of their personal lives and people they know being spoken to/interviewed.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973381)

:joker: I think this farce of a thread has reached its limit.

If you can't see how the two relate then clearly you're the one finding it too difficult.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7973382)

You give up easy.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7973384)

I wouldn't call 8 pages at all "easy". :hee:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 7973351)

We are never going to agree on this because as far as I see it without the housemates who become the stars of their individual series and contribute the most, we wouldn't really have a show. I know some people prefer to decide upon a winner based on who they like/can relate to and it's something I'll never agree with or support, but my point in that post really was that the prize should be awarded to a housemate based upon what they've done in the house (whether that's brought the most or been the nicest, whatever), not what they do or don't do outside of it. That is, after all, the point of the show.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 7973410)

...do you not think though, Jack...that by the same reasoning, you equally can't have the more controversial and divided housemates like Helen..?..unless you have other housemates who also play a big part in why they're controversial..?../so most talked about, I guess...I mean, you couldn't have had a Marc this year without there being a Sam, Chloe, Harry etc....they all equally play parts in why Marc was discussed so much surely...so then it's down to possibly being things/personalities etc that people can relate to..?...