if we cancelled the referendum, then people would just go out and murder a politician any time they wanted to stop a vote. hardly democracy in action.

these silly petitions signed by facebook/snapchat/instagram/twitter kids are a waste of time and energy

How can you possibly know that??? The FBI are still investigating.

The fact his wife was involved means he wasn't a lone terrorist Unless you are now changing the definition of "lone"

Some pamphlet from the 80s?

I think giving his name as 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' is fairly strong evidence for his political sympathies..

It's so silly to even entertain the thought of cancelling the Referendum at this stage. It would basically be giving into terrorism to do so.


Yeah, it's nonsensical to try to downplay his political motivations at this point.

or perhaps a tactic to get sent down as a mentalist rather than a sane murderer

i dont see any political movement having freedom for britain or death to traitors as a policy?

sounds like the ideas of a mentallist rather than someone with political aspirations

Well, no terrorist is truly sane. A sane person doesn't go out and murder people for their ideals.

Being mentally ill doesn't exclude you from being a terrorist.

I see at least one although they and their deluded idiotic followers are too cowardly to admit it in public what they obviously really are.

Not in the mainstream, you don't have to look far to find far-right groups supporting action like this though. Tiny groups maybe but they are very capable of serious violence

yes bob but i am afraid that may convince you but no one else

at both ends of the spectrum tho not just RW

Just as i thought.

Bang On Right LT

Sorry, for me the mental health bit here is a non starter, it takes careful and wilful planning to not only make sure you know where someone is going to be and how to accost them,acquiring a gun and to go out for that person, with not only the gun but also a knife.

To then accost the totally innocent victim, attack her, stab her repeatedly and finally shoot her 3 times.

No sympathy from me for him,and then for him to stand up in a court of law still going on about freedom for Britain.
While refusing to give an address or date of birth.
All shows someone thinking and planning rather carefully to me.
Not mentally ill but just plain horrible and really bad right through him,are most likely what are the only things wrong with him.

But his Case Worker
said 5 years before on
he was on meds.

Are you sure the Meds did not Screw him up?

It was in the presidents statement.

I saw a cute saying the other day, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...it's a duck.
Your denial is palpable on this issue, not sure why.

and quacks like a duck

From what i've heard in the news etc it seems that there's no denying both facts that this guy was strongly in favour of far right extremism and also had psychological issues.A lethal combination.There is plenty to suggest both.
A misconception on here is that being mentally ill means a lack of intelligence and the ability to plan an attack.This was more than likely brewing inside of him for a long time and his state of mind made him take it to the next level.
This thread has turned into some kind of political competition for some reason which there is absolutely no need for.Just look at the facts.
I don't think the deranged actions of one far right extremist lunatic will affect the referendum on a noticeable scale.This awful murder should be distanced from the referendum and the British people should not let this affect their decision in any way.

I said not a scrap of sympathy from me for him, so no I do not.

I think someone who was able to plan this so carefully and bring it about, and then execute it with not one but 2 weapons too is plain and simple bad and rotten inside.

I think any trying to afford this man, a mental health get out clause is an insult to people who are genuinely mentally ill and who couldn't plan this kind of this so carefully.

They may well lash out at someone random due to their mental health issues but this guy had his plan, built it up, selected his victim,set it up, brought it about and saw it right through the the conclusion he wanted.
Bad right through, not ill in any real sense of the word.

But we have very few facts

Someone found not mentally fit to stand trial could not be convicted of terrorism charges.

Wow.

This is, without doubt, the most cynical, blatant and disgusting Psy Op that MI5 have ever conducted.