Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8843671)

I am but I'm going off evidence to support my view. The vast majority of Londoners voted to stay in the EU which would suggest they don't think immigration is a huge problem

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8843898)

er the BBC

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8843907)

er hello the EU referendum was about us staying in the EU it was not a vote on immigration despite what our left of central friends would like to have thought it was about

and i guess that the fact that you thought it was rather suggests that I am right

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8843912)

It was sold on immigration...you know that and I know that, whatever you say to attempt to dress it up as something else we both know that was the crux.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8843911)

Me caring the BBC made it. the "documentary" was a biased piece of shįt

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 8843911)

Me caring the BBC made it. the "documentary" was a biased piece of shįt

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8843925)

Are you suggesting our wonderful media is biased?....
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...9-64087dd450d1

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8843917)

incorrect it was sold on us taking back control of law, trade and our borders. Im sorry that all you read was the New Statesman it seems

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8843928)

well to suggest the BBC is right wing

now THAT must be a TIBB first?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8843917)

incorrect it was sold on us taking back control of law, trade and our borders. Im sorry that all you read was the New Statesman it seems

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8843066)

Latest news seems to be that this was a lone teenager, westernised, raised mainly in Germany, with a history of mental health problems and no links at all to ISIS or any other terrorist group.

"Multiculturalism gone wrong", indeed. Seems to be the latest buzz phrase to legitimise quite blatant xenophobia. Oh boo Hoo boo Hoo people don't like it when I use that word!!

Well... Sozzles guyz... Bleating things like "multiculturalism gone wrong", "multiculturalism has failed" is the VERY definition of xenophobia. It's just hiding behind a fancier, trendy way of saying "foreigners go home!".

And then latching onto every incident to back up that thinking LONG before the full facts have come to light. But of course, from the very same who are mocking and sneering at others for passing comment before "all of the facts are known".

Once again - it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and deeply disturbing. It seems like more and more people are swayed to this arse-backwards way of thinking every day.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8844018)

So is this not terrorism now? Or is it cause he's brown? What's the main factor in defining it, being a Muslim or brown?!?! :think:

Cause Jo Cox's murderer wasn't a terrorist even though he was. Be interesting to see the narrative won't it

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 8845813)

Multiculturalism hasn't failed, It's Islam that's failed.

There's no problem with Sikhs, Jews, The Irish or anyone else, the problem is Islam.

And that's been brought about by political correctness, instead of encouraging them to be British and feel proud to be British and class themselves as British, we've told them that their culture is equal to ours, which is just so not true, the reason they come here in the first place is to get away from that barbaric culture.

Political Correctness is killing The West, and we need some leadership to stop this, although I fear it may be too late to sort it out peacefully.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8843300)

Doesn't matter how much proof there is, if a signed confession comes to light written by the boy himself outlining exactly why he did it, and it has nothing to do with "a failure of multiculturalism" (and can't be twisted as such), the people who have already decided and stated their opinions on the causes of this attack and what it "means for the world" will most likely simply never post about it again.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8845827)

Yep, tolerating this ridiculous superstition is one of the root causes

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8845836)

Thread has been dead since the story changed.

Called it before it happened.

Where are all of those passionate voices now? Not one to be seen, because it can no longer be claimed as a "win" for those who want the world divided along cultural borders, and are they here to say "oh it seems like we were wrong about this shooting and it doesn't signal what we thought at all"? Nope. Thread abandonned, forget it ever happened, jump back on the train next time there's an attack and hope the attacker's profile is right then.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8845854)

What's the point? You've already got all the answers, right? You're so brilliant TS, you're never wrong. We should just close serious debates and defer to you everytime there's something to discuss so we can see what we're all supposed to think.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8844805)

It's more to do with the victims I think... it's still technically classed as terrorism but it's that other "meh, whatever then" terrorism that happens when the victims aren't wEuropean or American (Canadian, Australian, etc.).

You know, like when schools get massacred in the Middle East and people say "Aw shame did you see EastEnders last night?" "That" sort of terrorism.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8845836)

Thread has been dead since the story changed.

Called it before it happened.

Where are all of those passionate voices now? Not one to be seen, because it can no longer be claimed as a "win" for those who want the world divided along cultural borders, and are they here to say "oh it seems like we were wrong about this shooting and it doesn't signal what we thought at all"? Nope. Thread abandonned, forget it ever happened, jump back on the train next time there's an attack and hope the attacker's profile is right then.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8845857)

Or we could all start getting sarcastic and snippy as soon as we have nothing left to back up our dubious prejudices? That would vastly improve things.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8845870)

I apologise TS, I should have realised that you have the monopoly on sarcastic and snippy.

If only we could all be like you, void of dubious prejudice.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8845852)

France is one of the most secular, heavily non-religious (often anti-religious) places in the world and has very low tolerance for religion compared to other countries in western Europe. It also has the highest incidence of home-grown terrorism.

I personally am anti-religious at my very core when it comes down to it but on this one you are just straight up wrong.

Higher standards of real education and knowledge, if we can ever achieve those, would gradually erode the grip of superstition over the generations (this has already started in Britain, IMO) but intolerance will do nothing but generate backlash. Intolerance IS one of the root causes.