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13-12-2018 02:55 PM |
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide
(Post 10382700)
I'm old enough to remember the UK before we even joined the common market, and believe it or not we did just fine, travelled where we wanted to, worked where we wanted to. Traded with who we wanted to.
However, the world is not the same anymore. We have a global economy that is dependent on other countries. If they fail, we fail. So being connected with them and having a shared vision is a necessity for prosperity. We will struggle without a good trade agreement with europe, be in no doubt about that. They are our cheapest market and without a good agreement with them we will suffer and a hard brexit wont help that. That is reality, and I challenge any brexiteer to disagree.
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the stark truth is we'll need to compromise anyway
say we do hard brexit, countries like us, india or china will want all sorts of concessions for good trade agreement and they'll know we have no choice as we won't have backing of a powerful bloc behind us
us may want access for their big pharma (I pity nhs if that happens), agriculture (gm food) etc, India may want visa restrictions lifted (more immigration here), China? who knows... it's not going to be that the world will embrace us with open arms; oh, new zealand and their lamb? what will farmers say?
the big problem is people are generally not well-informed about the eu and decades of hostile press owned by people who live abroad (and hate eu bc it has a say over their rapacious media empires) have done their damage
Some brexiteers wan't do kick the relatively benign eu not realizing it will be replaced by much more unpleasant partners
we're part of europe and should stick together, only eu can talk as equal partner to the likes of china or us
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