As a kid, probably not. Infact it probably wouldn't even enter my head at that age.

You seem to have made quite a study of both of these cases to be able to talk at length about the similarities and differences in both cases. And as with everything, you assume no one else knows anything.

I'll leave it now, when you start lecturing me on witness statements and how to interpret evidence, I think you're taking the piss.

Couldn't agree more.

I had him as guilty long before these 2 came out.

Well said Nancy,and isn't it funny how some facts are conveniently overlooked, I do feel sorry for MJs kids and family it must be like watching a public execution. And the director of the documentry Dan Reed must be rubbing his hands together with glee,he's never had so much publicity.:wavey:

Yes, Livia, that's called professional arrogance. It's not out of character, sadly.

I know you did as a lot of people did and do , but according to the USA court they didn't feel he was .

Why is it professional arrogance? What's arrogant is that you think you can lecture me on my own profession and then tell ME I'm arrogant.

Didn't feel he was or not enough evidence at the time to say he was?

You use your profession to assert that "you know best" and expect that it be taken as "given". That is arrogance. I haven't lectured you on anything; I've offered an opinion that contradicts your own, you have tried to denounce that opinion as less valid than yours based on your supposed qualifications and expect people to simply accept that. One day you might have to accept that on an internet forum, no one cares if you're a lawyer or a bus driver, and the only thing that matters is your argument in and of itself. "And I am a lawyer so!" means absolutely nothing here, but you bring it up and expect it to mean something quite frequently.

True. But then as a kid of the age of 7 I can't imagine I'd have any understanding of any of it. Even money.

Whereas you have nothing to back up your own assertions.

You get very prickly whenever I say anything about my profession.

I don't believe I'm right because of my profession. I believe I'm right because I've thought it through. If you don't want to be reminded what I do for a living stop trying to make your own case by talking me through evidence and witness statements.

How is it different to parents bringing their kids into the discussion as a statement on how much more valid their opinion was on the James Bulger thread?

It's ok for one and not the other?

:smug:

But as a grown up you would look back and think, no..
.that wasn't right, then perhaps you would start talking to protect other kids from this form of abuse.

Yes true. I'm just saying as a child I wouldn't understand the magnitude of a 20 million dollar check either. In terms of making a choice to make money rather than tell anyone.

Because you use it as a battering ram when it's entirely irrelevant; usually when you're feeling like your knowledge is being in some way "challenged" which you find insulting.

Good! Then talk about your reasoning in thinking it through and not your profession?

Why would I do that when your profession is irrelevant?

Don't you lecture ME on hypocrisy young man :hmph:. I have a BSc.

That's probably when the parents stepped in.:hee:

Well exactly. Case closed.

Yup, that's my view too.
I think he was emotionally and psychologically immature, arrested development, no childhood etc
Even those alleged sex acts remind of kids experimenting behind a bike shed: I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Maybe he had 100 of orphans stay over. I know from the many many girls he had stay that none have filed complaints...very telling that it's only males that have...

Anyway this photo of him and robsons family says it all...look how the dad's almost frozen out as Michael hugs everyone else in close as though that's the pic.


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...cFdcO37kPNBvWM

Yeah most likely and I'm sure he had an horrendous time as a child himself, it doesn't excuse him though imo

Makes it worse imo, knowing what it feels like emotionally all through your life yourself, to then inflict that on others..

Yeah definitely

No, it doesn't, but provides some context as to why. If the allegations are true, of course.
But since his estate is very rich we can't overlook financial gain as motivation either.