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Kizzy 10-09-2020 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10910772)
everyone appears to want a more tolerant society, but that works both ways. Tolerance means you don't beat the **** out of someone if they say some bad things. Equally of course, people should be more respectful of everyone around them
How much are people expected to tolerate? ...sounds like victim blaming.

Kizzy 10-09-2020 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10910778)
Again, though, empathising with them isn't the problem, and you can empathise with them and say that you understand why it happened, without stating that they did the right thing. Even if you're saying that these are the things that make them more inclined to think that they DID do the right thing... all your saying is that their objectivity is hampered by their own experiences. Which is also totally fine - but absolutely NOT a reason for anyone who can see that this action was wrong, reckless and dangerous to shy away from saying so. What sort of world are we looking for here, really? "I can understand why you think this was right, so I'm not going to discuss why I think it was not."?

Right so you've taken on board the difference in life experience being a factor. However, that was not your explanation for the thought process, it was age.

You cited the reason many agreed with the action was predominantly due to their maturity. All I argued against was that point.

arista 10-09-2020 12:36 PM

Niamh. 10-09-2020 12:49 PM
I don't really see what "woke culture" has to do with this particular incident tbf Arista

Ammi 10-09-2020 01:13 PM
...I also find ‘woke culture’ interesting...it’s not a term or label that I really ever use or have used tbh...but so far as I can ‘woke it out’...pun intended, yes...so much was blamed as being a reactionary to PC...’PC caused this’ etc...’if society hadn’t become so PC’...‘it’s the PC crowd’...etc, etc...now those anti PC and anti labelling people are now labelling ‘woke’...is that how it works...this is what happens with a mindset of labelling so we’ll fix that and label right back...

Kizzy 10-09-2020 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10910788)
If you don't think before you speak then you have the right to be as offensive as you like!

: idc:

user104658 10-09-2020 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10910818)
...I also find ‘wok culture’ interesting...
I know you meant to say woke but this has made me really hungry :laugh:

Ammi 10-09-2020 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10910834)
I know you meant to say woke but this has made me really hungry :laugh:
...you say woke, I say wok...let’s call the whole thing off...:laugh:..

Crimson Dynamo 10-09-2020 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10910834)
I know you meant to say woke but this has made me really hungry :laugh:
I like a good orange wok my self

Marsh. 10-09-2020 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10910788)
The old man was being creative was he, arista?

Glenn. 10-09-2020 03:27 PM
You can imagine the magnitude of surprise I felt when I came in here and see the racist pig is being painted the victim.

Oliver_W 10-09-2020 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10910908)
You can imagine the magnitude of surprise I felt when I came in here and see the racist pig is being painted the victim.
There's such a thing as there being no good people in a given situation. He shouldn't have been saying those things, and the man shouldn't have punched him.

Who do you think came off worse - the one who heard some mean words, or the one with the broken face?

Glenn. 10-09-2020 03:34 PM
The one with the broken face deserved a broken face. The ones who ‘heard some mean words’ about them didn’t

Oliver_W 10-09-2020 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10910916)
The one with the broken face deserved a broken face. The ones who ‘heard some mean words’ about them didn’t
No-one "deserves" anything. The black guy didn't earn the insults, but he also didn't earn the right to punch anyone.

Tom4784 10-09-2020 03:52 PM
If you start ****, you better be ready to deal with ****. If the man kept his racist mouth shut and didn't try to hit someone after goading them, then this wouldn't have happened.

You can't provoke a response and then complain when someone retaliates.

Glenn. 10-09-2020 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10910918)
No-one "deserves" anything. The black guy didn't earn the insults, but he also didn't earn the right to punch anyone.
Sure

GiRTh 10-09-2020 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10910932)
If you start ****, you better be ready to deal with ****. If the man kept his racist mouth shut and didn't try to hit someone after goading them, then this wouldn't have happened.

You can't provoke a response and then complain when someone retaliates.
:clap2:

Crimson Dynamo 10-09-2020 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10910932)
If you start ****, you better be ready to deal with ****. If the man kept his racist mouth shut and didn't try to hit someone after goading them, then this wouldn't have happened.

You can't provoke a response and then complain when someone retaliates.
This isnt the wild west

:facepalm:

Glenn. 10-09-2020 04:05 PM
No it’s 2020

Oliver_W 10-09-2020 04:06 PM
It's shocking how people here seem to have such low expectations of black people - I think they're as capable of controlling themselves as anyone else, but listening to people here you'd think it's normal to expect them to resort to violence...

arista 10-09-2020 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10910859)
The old man was being creative was he, arista?
No The Old fella on post one
is Vile.


I just posted that clip has a good ending.

Liam- 10-09-2020 04:08 PM
What’s shocking is people expecting black people to sit and listen to racist abuse thrown at them and turn the other cheek to keep the peace

Crimson Dynamo 10-09-2020 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10910941)
It's shocking how people here seem to have such low expectations of black people - I think they're as capable of controlling themselves as anyone else, but listening to people here you'd think it's normal to expect them to resort to violence...
that is a good point Oliver

arista 10-09-2020 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10910802)
I don't really see what "woke culture" has to do with this particular incident tbf Arista

Yes its not really connected

The Old fella is Vile.
He would not even know what the woke word ,is.

Oliver_W 10-09-2020 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10910943)
What’s shocking is people expecting black people to sit and listen to racist abuse thrown at them and turn the other cheek to keep the peace
So is violence the answer instead of shouting the racist down or walking away?


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