He was on the front line, it's an established fact. You can try to undermine that all you want because of your own overwhelming biases towards him but you can't change the facts. To insult him and act like a soldier's not really doing anything if they aren't actively killing people or fulfilling your limited view of what a soldier is and does, shows how shallow your respect for the army is, so self serving.

It's easy to judge someone from the safety of your armchair when it's clear you have no idea what an active battlefield is like.

Your feelings do not overwrite the facts, Sheriff.

Trying to pretend some people on here know more about it than others is silly. No one knows... None of us.

Just like with the army, you have no idea about anyone else's mental health struggles and the only reason you are rubbishing Meghan's is because of who she is which is sick.

Hear this, Sheriff. You do not know these people, you do not know what's in the mind of your loved ones, never mind what's going on in the head of a stranger that you only think you know because you take tabloid gossip as gospel.

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.

Yet when Meghan says she suffered, even if the thing you didn't believe was that she was refused help, it was "You don't believe her! You are stopping other people from seeking help by your attitude!'
The hypocrisy and false 'caring' is laughable.

Jet, would you 'give a hoot' about these women if they were saying the Royal Family bullied them? Or, like with Meghan's mental health struggles, would you rubbish them because it doesn't go along with the narrative you so desperately want to pretend is true?

It's just another strawman with a good dose of whataboutery, you ultimately need everything bad about Meghan to be true, it's not the same for everyone else since we don't have that same level of hatred motivating us. If Meghan did bully these women, then I hope the truth comes to light, but it's not going to change a thing about the institution's mistakes or the fact they covered this up until it could be weaponised.

...and perfectly said...

I abhor bullying of any kind, irrespective of who is doing it.
Your first reaction to the women's accusations was 'what timing'! - nothing about believing them because they said so, which is what you insisted everyone should do about Meghan's claims - you accused me of damaging others mental health when I said I didn't believe she was refused help.
You had 2 totally different reactions.
If you think that the Royals were using them as weapons, why do you not think Meghan was using her claims as weapons too?
See, it works both ways.

That is not a fact. The women could have come forward themselves to insist the bullying was brought out in the open when they knew the interview was going to be aired to protect themselves. They didn't know what she was going to say about those who worked for her. It is perfectly possible, so your fact isn't a fact at all. We just don't know. :shrug:

Once again, you're completely wrong and reliant on another strawman. My first reaction was questioning the timing of it, because it was strange, like people on both sides pointed out. I never doubted their experiences, my scorn was mainly poured on the institution for weaponising it and covering it up when it happened, like I said in the post you quoted but apparently did not read.

You need to stop relying on lies and strawmen, Jet. You're trying to twist this once again to throw it back at me and once again, you've failed because you ALWAYS ignore the context. You literally poured doubt on Meghan saying she felt suicidal, that's not equivalent to me being suspect of the institution.

You won't ever get far in a debate if you keep trying to fight the facts.

This happened in 2018, apparently, and it was reported and nothing was done about it until the institution acknowledged it in the wake of the Oprah interview, what else would you call that but a coverup and subsequent weaponization by the institution? It's pretty clear.

You are wrong. Recollections very much vary.

They wrongly covered it up to protect Meghan, and you ignored the part where I said the women could have insisted it be known prior to the interview. None of us know what happened so it is not clear.

Okay, in a debate when you refute something, you have to say why. I refuted what you said with an argument. You just said 'You're wrong xx.' You've made a statement, now back it up with an argument. Come on, put in the minimum effort.

I didn't ignore it, wrong again, as I said before in the post you responded to, but apparently didn't read properly. I never ignored their experiences or doubted them, it's just that it doesn't change anything I've said if it's true.

Your argument hinges on the fact that Meghan Markle is responsible for everything bad in the world. My stake in this argument has always been about disliking the media's behaviour, which is why i can view things objectively. It doesn't really change my argument if Meghan Markle is an arsehole or not, but your argument cannot afford for her to be seen as a victim in any way.

Quoting this again because

I already did. My my response said it all I wanted to say. Short and telling.

You didn't say anything, a statement is worthless in a debate without any kind of logic or reasoning behind it.

Gross exaggerations put me off debating with those that use them....and you are far from objective imo.

I'd rather try to reason with our cat.

Again, statements and accusations with no explanation, arguments or logic behind them. Not good enough. If you don't think I'm objective, then say why, explain your point of view. This is too easy for me, otherwise.

Then perhaps a debate thread isn't for you, if you don't actually want to debate the issue at hand.

I don't debate on demand, not everyone wants to engage with you the way you insist they must. Sometimes a few words says it all, and I've spoken.

Then, again, maybe a debate thread isn't the right thread for you.

It depends on who I am debating with, and whether it is enjoyable, interesting, or just torture....

....or you don't have anything to say so flower it up in "I don't want to say" which is embarrassing.