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Magic 22-02-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Callum
I am individual Magic but I'd rather not be seen in public with rubbish in my hand.
So, yeah, you are all about Image.

Shaun 22-02-2008 05:13 PM

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"If I lived in a nice place then I wouldn't litter but as I live in a horrible place, I don't see the point."

If people, like you, did not drop litter and took some pride in where they lived then thing may improve. Whilst you treat is like a **** hole it always will be.
Pride in where I live? You try living in my area. Me trying to "save the area" is not going to trigger everybody else into doing the same, I know it's a scruffy thing to drop litter but the area is not going to change because the people in the area are not going to change so therefore, there is no point in me doing it. Yes, it's lazy, it's boneidle, it's scruffy, all of which I'm aware of and I know it shouldn't be done, and I wouldn't dream of doing it an area that was half decent but my area ... you are wondering when the next shooting will be, not the next snicker wrapper being threw.

And Magic, telling people what to do and talking down to them is not going to make them go all environmentally friendly.
And just because everyone else treats it like a mess, you can too? I live in an equally messy environment (since there's seagulls and chip-shops everywhere (a deadly combination :tongue:), that doesn't help) but it doesn't ask much to put your sweet-wrapper in your pocket until you come to the next bin or something.

On a general point - I don't understand the argument that there's few bins everywhere. This may be because down here there's more than other places, but I find that hard to grasp...
Honestly? Yes. Why should I treat the area any better than the people who live in it? I don't purposely set out to drop some litter ... I hardly keep a tally of how many wrappers I throw to try and beat it weekly, but I do throw wrappers if there is no bin in sight because everybody else does, my wrapper won't make a difference as the area is a $hit hole as it is.
I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away...like chewing gum or a little sweet wrapper.

But I don't understand the mentality where your rubbish makes no difference. Because it does, it's the act of everybody's neglect...and should you choose to not be so neglecting, then although there would be little change, it's at least something. It doesn't excuse laziness.

Magic 22-02-2008 05:13 PM

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I don't like eating much anyway, I'm not often seen eating outside my own house.
Probably cos outside your own house is rat infested if everyone dumped rubbish.
Well you tell the goverment to put bins in my area then!!
I manage fine and there's hardly a plethora of bins in my area, I'm guessing thats because I'm not lazy and opposed to rat infestations.
Woo to Lauren!

In my village their are no bins at all, but I still keep any rubbish I have on me, to put in to a bin. Admittedly because of the lack of Bins alongside the fields the rubbish has increased, but this is all through people throwing rubbish out their windows.
I saw your village (the piccie) its tiny, so your home is not far away from any shops ect.
My home is far away from shops, the nearest being about 15 minutes drive, the motorway services.

~Kizwiz~ 22-02-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Callum
I am individual Magic but I'd rather not be seen in public with rubbish in my hand.
Ok.... so let me get this straight, if you say have a can of something to drink or maybe a bag of crisps..... and you dont want to carry that 'filth' around with you. But havent you just eaten or drunk out of that 'filth'???

It just doesnt add up to me :puzzled:

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Magic
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Originally posted by Lauren
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Originally posted by Callum
I don't like eating much anyway, I'm not often seen eating outside my own house.
Probably cos outside your own house is rat infested if everyone dumped rubbish.
Well you tell the goverment to put bins in my area then!!
I manage fine and there's hardly a plethora of bins in my area, I'm guessing thats because I'm not lazy and opposed to rat infestations.
Woo to Lauren!

In my village their are no bins at all, but I still keep any rubbish I have on me, to put in to a bin. Admittedly because of the lack of Bins alongside the fields the rubbish has increased, but this is all through people throwing rubbish out their windows.
I saw your village (the piccie) its tiny, so your home is not far away from any shops ect.
My home is far away from shops, the nearest being about 15 minutes drive, the motorway services.
So basically you dont have to walk between the shop and your house

Legend 22-02-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Legend
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Originally posted by Dr43%er
"If I lived in a nice place then I wouldn't litter but as I live in a horrible place, I don't see the point."

If people, like you, did not drop litter and took some pride in where they lived then thing may improve. Whilst you treat is like a **** hole it always will be.
Pride in where I live? You try living in my area. Me trying to "save the area" is not going to trigger everybody else into doing the same, I know it's a scruffy thing to drop litter but the area is not going to change because the people in the area are not going to change so therefore, there is no point in me doing it. Yes, it's lazy, it's boneidle, it's scruffy, all of which I'm aware of and I know it shouldn't be done, and I wouldn't dream of doing it an area that was half decent but my area ... you are wondering when the next shooting will be, not the next snicker wrapper being threw.

And Magic, telling people what to do and talking down to them is not going to make them go all environmentally friendly.
And just because everyone else treats it like a mess, you can too? I live in an equally messy environment (since there's seagulls and chip-shops everywhere (a deadly combination :tongue:), that doesn't help) but it doesn't ask much to put your sweet-wrapper in your pocket until you come to the next bin or something.

On a general point - I don't understand the argument that there's few bins everywhere. This may be because down here there's more than other places, but I find that hard to grasp...
Honestly? Yes. Why should I treat the area any better than the people who live in it? I don't purposely set out to drop some litter ... I hardly keep a tally of how many wrappers I throw to try and beat it weekly, but I do throw wrappers if there is no bin in sight because everybody else does, my wrapper won't make a difference as the area is a $hit hole as it is.
I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away...like chewing gum or a little sweet wrapper.

But I don't understand the mentality where your rubbish makes no difference. Because it does, it's the act of everybody's neglect...and should you choose to not be so neglecting, then although there would be little change, it's at least something. It doesn't excuse laziness.
So you throw chewing gum and little sweet wrappers away? If you do then your whole argument to me is very hypocritical ... it's not the size of the wrapper that counts, it's what you do with it. :wink:

Also, I've not once said it excuses my laziness, I've said enough times that it is a lazy, boneidle thing to do.

"it's at least something"

Like it matters. It will all pile up again if you give it 5 minutes.

Shaun 22-02-2008 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Legend
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Originally posted by Shaun
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Originally posted by Shaun
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Originally posted by Legend
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Originally posted by Dr43%er
"If I lived in a nice place then I wouldn't litter but as I live in a horrible place, I don't see the point."

If people, like you, did not drop litter and took some pride in where they lived then thing may improve. Whilst you treat is like a **** hole it always will be.
Pride in where I live? You try living in my area. Me trying to "save the area" is not going to trigger everybody else into doing the same, I know it's a scruffy thing to drop litter but the area is not going to change because the people in the area are not going to change so therefore, there is no point in me doing it. Yes, it's lazy, it's boneidle, it's scruffy, all of which I'm aware of and I know it shouldn't be done, and I wouldn't dream of doing it an area that was half decent but my area ... you are wondering when the next shooting will be, not the next snicker wrapper being threw.

And Magic, telling people what to do and talking down to them is not going to make them go all environmentally friendly.
And just because everyone else treats it like a mess, you can too? I live in an equally messy environment (since there's seagulls and chip-shops everywhere (a deadly combination :tongue:), that doesn't help) but it doesn't ask much to put your sweet-wrapper in your pocket until you come to the next bin or something.

On a general point - I don't understand the argument that there's few bins everywhere. This may be because down here there's more than other places, but I find that hard to grasp...
Honestly? Yes. Why should I treat the area any better than the people who live in it? I don't purposely set out to drop some litter ... I hardly keep a tally of how many wrappers I throw to try and beat it weekly, but I do throw wrappers if there is no bin in sight because everybody else does, my wrapper won't make a difference as the area is a $hit hole as it is.
I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away...like chewing gum or a little sweet wrapper.

But I don't understand the mentality where your rubbish makes no difference. Because it does, it's the act of everybody's neglect...and should you choose to not be so neglecting, then although there would be little change, it's at least something. It doesn't excuse laziness.
So you throw chewing gum and little sweet wrappers away? If you do then your whole argument to me is very hypocritical ... it's not the size of the wrapper that counts, it's what you do with it. :wink:

Also, I've not once said it excuses my laziness, I've said enough times that it is a lazy, boneidle thing to do.

"it's at least something"

Like it matters. It will all pile up again if you give it 5 minutes.
Well no, since, as I said, that's unintentional and everybody does unintentionally sometimes. But you've said up there that you throw away if there's not a bin within sight...which suggests you look around and then intentionally throw it away.

And lol @ the size doesn't matter reference :tongue:

Dr43%er 22-02-2008 05:24 PM

"I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away" I don't.

Kiz, you really don't get it do you. The second that full hygienic can becomes empty a reaction takes place that makes it the most vile uncool thing to be seen with.
Can you not tell the difference between a full can and an empty one? I can. I mock people with empty cans. Especially if they have cold hands.

Magic 22-02-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Chewy
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Originally posted by Lauren
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Originally posted by Callum
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Originally posted by Lauren
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Originally posted by Callum
I don't like eating much anyway, I'm not often seen eating outside my own house.
Probably cos outside your own house is rat infested if everyone dumped rubbish.
Well you tell the goverment to put bins in my area then!!
I manage fine and there's hardly a plethora of bins in my area, I'm guessing thats because I'm not lazy and opposed to rat infestations.
Woo to Lauren!

In my village their are no bins at all, but I still keep any rubbish I have on me, to put in to a bin. Admittedly because of the lack of Bins alongside the fields the rubbish has increased, but this is all through people throwing rubbish out their windows.
I saw your village (the piccie) its tiny, so your home is not far away from any shops ect.
My home is far away from shops, the nearest being about 15 minutes drive, the motorway services.
So basically you dont have to walk between the shop and your house
No, but I have rubbish from my house, or I am in town I always put it in a bin, never just drop it for some other person to sort out.

Callum 22-02-2008 05:33 PM

But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.

Magic 22-02-2008 05:36 PM

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But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.
Like i said before, thats just a excuse. The 'guilt free' card.
When they could be paid to do other jobs, yeah.

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Magic
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But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.
Like i said before, thats just a excuse. The 'guilt free' card.
When they could be paid to do other jobs, yeah.
Great idea! forget about the people who are supporting their familys! just make them redundant and send the unemployment rates up!

~Kizwiz~ 22-02-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away" I don't.

Kiz, you really don't get it do you. The second that full hygienic can becomes empty a reaction takes place that makes it the most vile uncool thing to be seen with.
Can you not tell the difference between a full can and an empty one? I can. I mock people with empty cans. Especially if they have cold hands.
Ohhhh silly me!!!! So that half drunk bottle of lemonade I have in my fridge is rotten??

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But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.
But that doesnt make it right???

By that logic if a hitman is hired to kill someone....... that makes it ok :wink:

On second thoughts... I know some of you arent responsible for your house hold bills but council tax is a hefty charge that all adults have to pay. Some of that tax pays for people to clean the streets..... think of how much money we could all avoid paying if we didnt drop so much litter

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 06:01 PM

Why does the other side of the arguement keep comparing dropping rubbish to murder

Hitmen and street cleaners are two different sort of people

Jack 22-02-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Chewy
Why does the other side of the arguement keep comparing dropping rubbish to murder

Hitmen and street cleaners are two different sort of people
It's an analogy, it's not a literal comparison between the two - it's a comparison to the principle/logic behind it.

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 06:05 PM

its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples

Jack 22-02-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Chewy
its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples
I don't think yuou understand what an analogy is.

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 06:08 PM

Logic behind murder - Hatred, motivation for revenge or heat of the moment

Logic behind litter dropping - Cold hands, no bins in sight

Jack 22-02-2008 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Chewy
Logic behind murder - Hatred, motivation for revenge or heat of the moment

Logic behind litter dropping - Cold hands, no bins in sight
Again you're missing the point. I was not comparing the acts of murder and littering. Callum said he has a right to drop litter because he has free will. If everyone had the attitude then that means people have the right to go around assaulting people because it's "free will". Of course the comparison is an extreme but that's what is usually used in an analogy to exaggerate the point.

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 06:13 PM

Anywho we all do our best not to drop litter but sometimes we drop it

Captain.Remy 22-02-2008 06:15 PM

One thing I found funny (or not but at the moment it was), it was in the London tube, on the evening and people got magazines. They read it in the tube and drop then on the seats. I was with an english friend and I told him "But they can't do that, there are magazines everywhere, why do they drop them ?" and this one told me "Well they drop it because an other guy will come and read it so it's like if they give it". It seemed weird lol

~Kizwiz~ 22-02-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Chewy
its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples
Are you saying my point or post is stupid? Because we can go down that road if you want to.

Ok.... lets put it another way, some is paid to steal from a jewelers or someone is paid to keep them safe (ie, protection money)

Are any of those right..... because they are all paid to do a job arent they?

Scarlett. 22-02-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
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Originally posted by Chewy
its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples
Are you saying my point or post is stupid? Because we can go down that road if you want to.

Ok.... lets put it another way, some is paid to steal from a jewelers or someone is paid to keep them safe (ie, protection money)

Are any of those right..... because they are all paid to do a job arent they?
Your point isnt stupid, its just the example you used, anyway thanks to Jack I understand it now

~Kizwiz~ 22-02-2008 06:22 PM

If everyone dropped litter

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...zzy/litter.jpg

Red Moon 22-02-2008 06:51 PM

People that repeatedly drop litter should be given antisocial behavior orders and if they carry on dropping litter they should be given community service picking the stuff up!


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