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Nedusa 15-10-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6432789)
They are now urgently looking for this man.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o..._2008/efit.jpg

That's a man......????

Kazanne 15-10-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6432792)
That's a man......????

That's what I thought,'he' has very soft features for a man.

MTVN 15-10-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6432245)
I'm not so much influenced by that, but more by my experiences of holiday resort towns whereby the area around the nice hotels is a paradise but the rest of the town is a slum and everyone relies totally on the tourism industry for their livelihood - is it like that or is it generally just a nice town? I don't think the police force are useless though, I think they gave the case more attention than it deserved and did their job properly.

Yeah I've not been to Prai da luz specifically but my parents do have a holiday apartment in the Algarve and my Uncle used to live out there working in development so I've been out there a few times, it's not riddled with poverty exactly but it is obvious as is the divide between holidaymakers/ex pats and the locals

I know the thread's move on a bit since but re the bungled burglary theory, I wasn't thinking of like professional/career criminals who plan things really well with getaway cars and the like, more likely just petty thieves or maybe even homeless people to whom luxury holiday resorts are an obvious target, they might not even have been looking to steal anything big, just something small that the family might not even care that much about but that they could pawn for a few euro or something like that

Admittedly it's quite unlikely, but this whole case is quite unlikely really

Kizzy 15-10-2013 09:52 PM

The reconstruction showed gerry locking the front door I thought, what's the point of locking one door and leaving another open?

GypsyGoth 15-10-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6432789)
They are now urgently looking for this man.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o..._2008/efit.jpg

That's an efit of Zee :laugh2:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...t=87613&page=4

MTVN 15-10-2013 09:55 PM

:joker:

Jamesy 15-10-2013 10:22 PM

I always wonder what would have happened to The McCanns if this had happened in the UK. What they did pretty much was child neglect (and stupidity), in the UK that would be rather serious and they would have been at fault straight away, possibly even had charges against them. I wonder if the press would have still made them out as the victims (which I know they are in a way, I'm looking at the bigger picture though) if they had done anything like that on a holiday in the UK.

I do not think The McCanns were involved into the disappearance of their child (although I do agree with others that this case doesn't seem right), although I do think as the years have gone on they have used Madeleine's disappearance as a tool to make money from it. Just look at how public they have been over the years. Even now with them back in the limelight!

They've made some serious money over the years and while I do have empathy for them losing their daughter, I find it quite uncomfortable that they have dragged it on in the public light and have/are potentially only staying in the limelight in order to rake in money for themselves.

A strange thought I know, but for me personally, something is not right with them. They act very strangely and I just don't buy it.

(I know I haven't followed the current of the topic but I just wanted to share my views :P)

joeysteele 15-10-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesy (Post 6432902)
I always wonder what would have happened to The McCanns if this had happened in the UK. What they did pretty much was child neglect (and stupidity), in the UK that would be rather serious and they would have been at fault straight away, possibly even had charges against them. I wonder if the press would have still made them out as the victims (which I know they are in a way, I'm looking at the bigger picture though) if they had done anything like that on a holiday in the UK.

I do not think The McCanns were involved into the disappearance of their child (although I do agree with others that this case doesn't seem right), although I do think as the years have gone on they have used Madeleine's disappearance as a tool to make money from it. Just look at how public they have been over the years. Even now with them back in the limelight!

They've made some serious money over the years and while I do have empathy for them losing their daughter, I find it quite uncomfortable that they have dragged it on in the public light and have/are potentially only staying in the limelight in order to rake in money for themselves.

A strange thought I know, but for me personally, something is not right with them. They act very strangely and I just don't buy it.

(I know I haven't followed the current of the topic but I just wanted to share my views :P)

I relate strongly to your thinking and feelings as to this too. you summed up much of how I feel as to it.
Really interesting and thought provoking post.

Marsh. 15-10-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6432816)
The reconstruction showed gerry locking the front door I thought, what's the point of locking one door and leaving another open?

Rather bizarre. But yeah, it showed them close the curtains around the patio and then just slide the door shut with no lock.

Just the fact that the apartment was easily accessible from the street, completely out of view of the Tapas bar would scare me enough.

Kizzy 15-10-2013 11:04 PM

Yep, totally nuts... :conf:

the truth 15-10-2013 11:20 PM

didn't they spend the first few hours after shed disappeared sitting in the apartment?

the truth 15-10-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 6432955)
Rather bizarre. But yeah, it showed them close the curtains around the patio and then just slide the door shut with no lock.

Just the fact that the apartment was easily accessible from the street, completely out of view of the Tapas bar would scare me enough.

why didn't they lock the patio doors? why has no one asked them this on crimewatch?

It feels as though they decided to get a massive public campaign going so no one could dare question them.

Kizzy 15-10-2013 11:27 PM

Yes, neither joined in the search.

Z 15-10-2013 11:27 PM

:suspect:

the truth 15-10-2013 11:32 PM

I thought the whole show was pathetic...It was hardly columbo....trying to be all artsy fartsy as always and failing hopelessly to deliver the specific information and to ask the most pertinent questions i.e. why did you leave the door open>? why did you leave the kids? how many times have you done this before and since her disappearance? do your friends all continue to do this? were their doors unlocked too? where has all the money raised gone? did you search immediately for maddie? if not, why not? why did you think going to see the Pope or calling beckham was a better move than working with detectives to find her? etc

Nedusa 16-10-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 6432298)
This Crimewatch thing has been sat on for 6 months ,it has only been broadcast as try to cover up a libel case ongoing in Lisbon court where they are suing Goncalo Amaral the portuguese police Chief for libel in his book, a book which is based solely on the official police files both Uk and Pj ,The Mcs have tried to have the book banned and have lost 2 cases against him ,they are losing this one too, and they know if they do lose it ,it will prove whats been known for 6 years by people who care to look, that the police files hold the truth

Perhaps Chuff's post above has more than a ring of truth about it ??

Reading all the posts from this thread there are more than a few areas where the official story does not add up and the behaviour of the McCanns does seem strange in many instances.

Also the way this whole investigation has been undertaken by all police forces together with the way the press have been used again raises many questions.

I like most people long for the day when the truth is finally revealed about the Maddie McCann story, but I feel that day is still some way off...!!!

user104658 16-10-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6433138)
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I like most people long for the day when the truth is finally revealed about the Maddie McCann story, but I feel that day is still some way off...!!!

I don't think it ever will be. It seems fairly obvious that the Portuguese police know, or are fairly sure, of what happened to Maddie, that her parents know she is dead and disposed of her body. Buy there has been a massive effort to bury that conclusion by powerful figures, including the police chief losing his job, and being threatened with libel suits several times.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that a hell of a lot of money and power is being pumped into the effort to NOT solve this case. Why? I really have no idea. At this point it could simply be because the implications of the truth being revealed are too wide-spread and "embarrassing" for both governments and for Scotland Yard.

thesheriff443 16-10-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6433150)
I don't think it ever will be. It seems fairly obvious that the Portuguese police know, or are fairly sure, of what happened to Maddie, that her parents know she is dead and disposed of her body. Buy there has been a massive effort to bury that conclusion by powerful figures, including the police chief losing his job, and being threatened with libel suits several times.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that a hell of a lot of money and power is being pumped into the effort to NOT solve this case. Why? I really have no idea. At this point it could simply be because the implications of the truth being revealed are too wide-spread and "embarrassing" for both governments and for Scotland Yard.

talk about stretching it!
government's hiding the truth:conf:

we are talking about a missing girl presumed dead, you are getting carried away with this.

user104658 16-10-2013 08:11 AM

http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm

Absolutely gargantuan read, but for anyone who is interested, almost everything that has been buried and hushed up through libel cases is noted here. SIXTY reasons to doubt that she was ever abducted. And theyre not bullet points, each of the 60 reasons is several paragraphs long, and backed up with supporting information.

Cherie 16-10-2013 08:12 AM

Really:conf: so two people are getting away with not only murder, but also fraud, conning the public and wasting 5 million on a new investigation and the police are covering it up due to embarrassment!

Jesus. 16-10-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6433154)
Really:conf: so two people are getting away with not only murder, but also fraud, conning the public and wasting 5 million on a new investigation and the police are covering it up due to embarrassment!

I think it was JFK after he'd been hiding on the moon with Elvis for decades. I think it's pretty obvious that's the real cover up here.

user104658 16-10-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6433154)
Really:conf: so two people are getting away with not only murder, but also fraud, conning the public and wasting 5 million on a new investigation and the police are covering it up due to embarrassment!

Not murder, an accidental death, and when I say "embarrassment" I don't mean red-faces, I mean it would have drastic implications, especially as so much time has passed that it's highly unlikely that anything would EVER stick in a trial. There's no body, and the evidence is circumstantial but compelling. The evidence supporting an abduction, is zero. Absolutely zip.

Cherie 16-10-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6433167)
Not murder, an accidental death, and when I say "embarrassment" I don't mean red-faces, I mean it would have drastic implications, especially as so much time has passed that it's highly unlikely that anything would EVER stick in a trial. There's no body, and the evidence is circumstantial but compelling. The evidence supporting an abduction, is zero. Absolutely zip.

I still don't get why they would pump so much more money into it now. I don't deny there are inconsistencies and some very strange things have gone on but I can't see the value in a cover up. I can see the value in letting it drop and letting the McCanns foot the bill for any further investigation but not a cover up.

Niamh. 16-10-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6431945)
Yeah but if you're a worst-case-scenario person like I am (and I believe Kate McCann is too) then your mind jumps to the worst possible conclusion... and unfortunately in this case, she was right to think so. If you have unscrupulous men looking to kidnap toddlers to sell into the sex trade, they're not going to take babies, they're going to take toddlers. I'm of the opinion that the people who took her are not the people who have her right now, I believe they were just middle men who go out and do the dirty work and then sell the victims onto someone. It's quite possible they kidnapped her, took her to the beach and someone in a boat sped off to an unknown location. If the kids were sedated, as has been suggested in this thread (there was no mention of that in the Crimewatch report that I noticed but I'm assuming that it's been reported somewhere else?) then Madeleine wouldn't have even put up a struggle, she could well have been asleep the entire time if she'd been drugged by her parents.

Just a combination of sloppy negligent parenting and awful, tragic coincidence.

Still though straight after it happened she couldn't possibly know if she had been taken or if she wondered off looking for her parents or had an accident. I think most people would have shouted first off Maddie is gone or maddie is missing, it was a bit premature to conclude that she'd been taken imo

user104658 16-10-2013 09:43 AM

Exactly, she was upset the night before and a door was left unlocked. Yes, you would panic, but the first thought would be "she's gone off looking for us". And like I said there was never any further evidence of an abduction. It's perfectly feasible that she DID wander off and got into some sort of accident and has simply never been found. But they screamed "abduction" straight away and have never wavered from that, despite there being absolutely no evidence of an abduction.

Vanessa 16-10-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6432789)
They are now urgently looking for this man.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o..._2008/efit.jpg

That looks like a woman. :suspect:

Kazanne 16-10-2013 10:07 AM

I really don't think she was abducted either.

Vanessa 16-10-2013 10:10 AM

I never thought that she could have wondered off. That is possible i suppose. :eek:

Jesus. 16-10-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6433213)
That looks like a woman. :suspect:

Could be a lesbian, I suppose?

Vanessa 16-10-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6433218)
Could be a lesbian, I suppose?

It just doesn't look like a man. Could be a woman with short hair.

Jemal 16-10-2013 10:13 AM

I she was to wander off she would of taken her teddy. As thats what kids tend to do...
Starting to think she got killed. Cause getting abducted for 7 years is abit meh without even being seen...
Thing is aswell if she did get killed in the room or Beach or whatever... There would of found MUCH more evidence or even a dead body on the beach..
Cause i mean they did search the bloody resort from top to bottom.

Ah this is just mind exhausting..

Jesus. 16-10-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 6433220)
It just doesn't look like a man. Could be a woman with short hair.

Yeah - a lesbian.

Jemal 16-10-2013 10:19 AM

LMFAO what if it was a woman? Who took madeline...
Oh god it can't be..

Z 16-10-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6433218)
Could be a lesbian, I suppose?

I hate you :suspect:

Jesus. 16-10-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6433227)
I hate you :suspect:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc2dr4FR5U1r79k9c.gif

Z 16-10-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6433233)

My girlish good looks and good name have been besmirched! Besmirched!!! :joker:

AnnieK 16-10-2013 10:31 AM

:laugh: Aw Greg...you're very pretty, Jesus is just jealous

Kazanne 16-10-2013 10:40 AM

What happened to Clarence Mitchell?

Niall 16-10-2013 10:58 AM

Although I disagree with a lot of people in this thread about the actions of the McCanns (what they did may have been selfish, but not necessarily neglectful), I don't understand why they never ate with the children at that restaurant earlier on in the evening - especially after what Madeleine said on the morning of her abduction. That's the only thing that strikes me as a bit odd.

AnnieK 16-10-2013 11:05 AM

Leaving your children whilst you go out to eat and drink is selfish, leaving your children after they have told you they woke up distressed, scared and alone is neglectful in my opinion. Having read the article that the children were in kids club for 5 hours a day and then left alone at night it begs the question why even take the children on holiday if you didn't want to spend any time with them


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