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Dollface 19-02-2015 07:49 PM
I think CeCe would be too obvious though, it wouldn't be a shocking reveal

Lostie! 19-02-2015 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7602568)
I think CeCe would be too obvious though, it wouldn't be a shocking reveal
Exactly how I feel. CeCe's been in the frame too much for me to be satisfied by it being her. I have a bad feeling it will be CeCe, though.

I mean, I'm all for CeCe being involved and assisting whoever A is, I just don't want her to be the main A.

Speaking of Red Coat, I hope we get proper clarification on her. Alison was revealed as one, CeCe was apparently revealed as one but then we found out she was only Red Coat that one time in Ravenswood to help Alison, what about the one who's been sneaking around being all shady and evil? Was that Alison, or is there another Red Coat? And is she the same person as the woman in the veil? :suspect:

Smithy 19-02-2015 08:42 PM
Cece has been so obvious that people have completely stopped looking at her as a suspect, which would make it shocking, atm anyone could be revealed as A and because this show has been so long winded and drawn out, it wouldn't be a massive surprise because at one point or another everyone has been as suspect

Both Cece and Alison were redcoat, Alison asked Cece to go around in a red coat to try and distract A, because she too went out in a red coat, obviously Cece being A meant that she wasn't being thrown off track by anything and it just meant she could watch Alison more closely without Alison thinking she was in danger, Cece was the redcoat that visited Mona in Radley, and i'm guessing she was also the one who dug up "Alison's" grave in the S3 premiere

Both Alison and Cece were at the lodge in the S3 finale when it burnt down, Alison pulled Hanna out and i'm guessing Cece the other girls (because she hadn't finished torturing them) Cece lost her red coat in the fire and was wearing an Ali mask when she pulled the girls out so that they wouldn't see who she really was, which also explains why in the S4 premier the Alison mask worn by black veil/widow at Wildens funeral was burnt



Hope that cleared it up for you

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LukeB 19-02-2015 09:25 PM
watching season 1 on netflix :flutter:

Liam- 19-02-2015 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Raph (Post 7602505)
Liam you have Tyler I want Cody :pipe:
I will fight you for Cody, back off :fist:

LukeB 19-02-2015 09:29 PM
my favourite charmed character is in PLL :amazed:

Smithy 19-02-2015 09:53 PM
Also, the other spoilers for S5 finale

Spoiler:



Ali is ruled guilty and the liars are all arrested as accessories for the murder, I guess because they lied about her being kidnapped? On their way to jail (without Ali),

A hijacks their vehicle and knocks them out. They wake up in this life-sized dollhouse where Mona is pretending to be Ali. When she gets the chance, Mona explains that A has been keeping her here, forcing her to play out these scenarios. She's wearing an Ali mask, a wig, and the shirt Ali was wearing the day she "died"

A controls them by locking them in their rooms at certain times and playing a really annoying alarm when A is mad. So they all play along but Spencer and Mona mastermind this way to turn off the electricity and they try to run away but at the end of the episode, you see they're fenced in.

The police find the shed, which is part of the A lair, because Caleb does some hacking magic with the cameras that caught the liars being kidnapped and helps the police follow the car's most recent whereabouts. Caleb and Ezra get arrows shot at them. And also, archery is brought up in court when Ali's lawyer is trying to prove that Ali wasn't strong enough to toss Mona around.

The liars think they know the gender. They end up in A's "dollhouse" where there are alphabet blocks arranged in an anagram for "Charles." So naturally, Spencer assumes A is named Charles. So they think they know it's a man."

whatever's in the barrell is too decomposed to confirm anything. Just one in a series of disappointing non-reveals this season."

LukeB 19-02-2015 10:27 PM
Spencer and Hanna :love:

LukeB 19-02-2015 10:41 PM
Wren :flutter:

Lostie! 20-02-2015 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7602727)
Cece has been so obvious that people have completely stopped looking at her as a suspect, which would make it shocking, atm anyone could be revealed as A and because this show has been so long winded and drawn out, it wouldn't be a massive surprise because at one point or another everyone has been as suspect

Both Cece and Alison were redcoat, Alison asked Cece to go around in a red coat to try and distract A, because she too went out in a red coat, obviously Cece being A meant that she wasn't being thrown off track by anything and it just meant she could watch Alison more closely without Alison thinking she was in danger, Cece was the redcoat that visited Mona in Radley, and i'm guessing she was also the one who dug up "Alison's" grave in the S3 premiere

Both Alison and Cece were at the lodge in the S3 finale when it burnt down, Alison pulled Hanna out and i'm guessing Cece the other girls (because she hadn't finished torturing them) Cece lost her red coat in the fire and was wearing an Ali mask when she pulled the girls out so that they wouldn't see who she really was, which also explains why in the S4 premier the Alison mask worn by black veil/widow at Wildens funeral was burnt



Hope that cleared it up for you

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One of my main issues with CeCe being A is that we'd never even met her until 7 episodes into Season 3, when this second A had already been terrorising the girls for 6 episodes already. I want it to be someone we already knew from as early as the Season 3 premiere.

It's like when they introduced the mystery of someone pulling Alison out of the ground in the Season 3 finale, then next season revealed it to be someone we weren't even introduced to until Season 4. That kind of stuff really irritates me in mysteries. :idc: :laugh:

LukeB 20-02-2015 03:02 PM
Because I already know Alison is not really dead. I got theories of what really happened to Alison..

I believe Jenna/Toby are sending those texts and they got Alison kidnapped and used someone elses body so everyone thinks it's Alison's because they're trying to mess with the girls for revenge :think:

Smithy 20-02-2015 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7603381)
One of my main issues with CeCe being A is that we'd never even met her until 7 episodes into Season 3, when this second A had already been terrorising the girls for 6 episodes already. I want it to be someone we already knew from as early as the Season 3 premiere.

It's like when they introduced the mystery of someone pulling Alison out of the ground in the Season 3 finale, then next season revealed it to be someone we weren't even introduced to until Season 4. That kind of stuff really irritates me in mysteries. :idc: :laugh:
I don't think it matters too much tbh, seeing as the girls all had history and the motive is there on cece's part, if this was shown at the beginning of S3E1 it would have made it really obvious, "new girl character/oh they got that girl kicked out of college/New A" the fact they didn't is quite good tbh

Lostie! 20-02-2015 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7603946)
I don't think it matters too much tbh, seeing as the girls all had history and the motive is there on cece's part, if this was shown at the beginning of S3E1 it would have made it really obvious, "new girl character/oh they got that girl kicked out of college/New A" the fact they didn't is quite good tbh
It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met. :laugh:

Dollface 20-02-2015 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7603956)
It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met. :laugh:
Completely agree

I think it'd be cool if Wren and CeCe were secretly romantically involved and working together as A

Smithy 20-02-2015 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7603956)
It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met. :laugh:
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7603967)
Completely agree

I think it'd be cool if Wren and CeCe were secretly romantically involved and working together as A
Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer :shrug:

Natalie. 20-02-2015 06:28 PM
I kinda wanna finish season 4 and 5 but then I'll have to wait for season 6 :laugh: When does season 6 start?

Smithy 20-02-2015 06:29 PM
June probably, still a Season 7 to come after that tho :fan:

Dollface 20-02-2015 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7603994)
Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer :shrug:
I wouldn't mind if CeCe was involved but because she's such an obvious suspect i think it'd be better if she was working with someone (the head A) like Wren or Melissa
It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive

Lostie! 20-02-2015 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7603994)
Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer :shrug:
I don't see how we can write certain people off as having no motives yet, though. As I've said, I've read a few Wren theories that make a lot of sense to me, with his possible motive surrounding Bethany. It's probably not going to come to pass, but I think it's interesting to think about.

CeCe being A will be disappointing for me, partly because of her late introduction and partly because they've spent so much time making her look blatantly shady already. I really enjoy her as a character and have no problem with her being involved, but as the main A? I'd definitely be underwhelmed.

Smithy 20-02-2015 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604177)
I wouldn't mind if CeCe was involved but because she's such an obvious suspect i think it'd be better if she was working with someone (the head A) like Wren or Melissa
It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7604305)
I don't see how we can write certain people off as having no motives yet, though. As I've said, I've read a few Wren theories that make a lot of sense to me, with his possible motive surrounding Bethany. It's probably not going to come to pass, but I think it's interesting to think about.

CeCe being A will be disappointing for me, partly because of her late introduction and partly because they've spent so much time making her look blatantly shady already. I really enjoy her as a character and have no problem with her being involved, but as the main A? I'd definitely be underwhelmed.
But like i said before, they've made everyone look shady at one point or another, so much so that the show's been diluted down so that everyone is now a suspect and if revealed as A there's always gonna be some people saying "Oh well it was obvious" :shrug:

Also dollface what would you say would be Melissa's motive against the other girls? Fair enough i could potentially understand her being against Spencer and Ali but why Aria/Em/Hanna?

And i don't get how you can be unhappy about Cece being A but would be happy with wren because of a relationship with bethany, a character who hasn't been introduced until season 5 (ep 100!!!)

(this might sound like I'm being really aggressive I'm not I'm just really convinced now that it's cece :joker:)

Lostie! 20-02-2015 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604338)
But like i said before, they've made everyone look shady at one point or another, so much so that the show's been diluted down so that everyone is now a suspect and if revealed as A there's always gonna be some people saying "Oh well it was obvious" :shrug:
Yes, they've put nearly everyone in the frame at one point, but they didn't just make CeCe seem shady briefly for a little while, she's essentially walked around with a sign over her head saying "I'M SHADY LOOK AT ME" the entire time. Her possibly being involved has just been too in-your-face for me.

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604338)
And i don't get how you can be unhappy about Cece being A but would be happy with wren because of a relationship with bethany, a character who hasn't been introduced until season 5 (ep 100!!!)
Because the theories I like don't suggest Bethany as A. My issue with late-introduced characters is them being the mystery bad guy behind everything, I don't have as much of a problem with a character introduced later being part of the catalyst for the villain (but yes, I'd have liked the Bethany stuff to have been revealed earlier also).

Smithy 20-02-2015 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7604360)
Yes, they've put nearly everyone in the frame at one point, but they didn't just make CeCe seem shady briefly for a little while, she's essentially walked around with a sign over her head saying "I'M SHADY LOOK AT ME" the entire time. Her possibly being involved has just been too in-your-face for me.

Because the theories I like don't suggest Bethany as A. My issue with late-introduced characters is them being the mystery bad guy behind everything, I don't have as much of a problem with a character introduced later being part of the catalyst for the villain (but yes, I'd have liked the Bethany stuff to have been revealed earlier also).
But at the same time, they've made her Alisons best friend, Since we've found out she's alive, Alison has relied on Cece so I'm guessing the majority of viewers don't see her as a threat anymore, Cece has helped hide Alison, helped her flee Ravenswood and Alison helped her escape to Paris, plus she came back in the xmas ep and comforted Alison over her mums death, she acts protective over her when the other girls are about too. It's a smart move on the writers part because after making her a suspect for a while, they've made her seem like she's actually on Alison's side and she was a red herring like all the other A suspects, when in fact she's actually Big A

And tbh, it's the same in the books, and it's done really well, just because the character hasn't been in it from the beginning won't make it any less exciting when it's all revealed, it acts as a credit to the writers (for a change) because they planned it out pretty well. I'm excited for the girls to find out she's A in 6A finale and then we have a series and a half of Cece's background and what has fuelled her hatred for so long

Would you been happy with Cece being A if she had been in it since the starts of S3 instead of halfway through 3A?

Lostie! 20-02-2015 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604375)
But at the same time, they've made her Alisons best friend, Since we've found out she's alive, Alison has relied on Cece so I'm guessing the majority of viewers don't see her as a threat anymore, Cece has helped hide Alison, helped her flee Ravenswood and Alison helped her escape to Paris, plus she came back in the xmas ep and comforted Alison over her mums death, she acts protective over her when the other girls are about too. It's a smart move on the writers part because after making her a suspect for a while, they've made her seem like she's actually on Alison's side and she was a red herring like all the other A suspects, when in fact she's actually Big A
Yeah, you are right tbh, they've definitely toned down the shady-factor with her.

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604375)
And tbh, it's the same in the books, and it's done really well, just because the character hasn't been in it from the beginning won't make it any less exciting when it's all revealed, it acts as a credit to the writers (for a change) because they planned it out pretty well. I'm excited for the girls to find out she's A in 6A finale and then we have a series and a half of Cece's background and what has fuelled her hatred for so long
They could definitely still have the reveal be exciting etc, but the fact that there were 6 episodes of this second A terrorising the girls before we even knew she existed will still be in the back of my mind. That's just me and my preference though, I'm very fussy with my mysteries. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604375)
Would you been happy with Cece being A if she had been in it since the starts of S3 instead of halfway through 3A?
Sure. I mean, her being a leading suspect for ages would definitely niggle a bit, but I'd definitely be okay with it being CeCe if we knew her since at least the start of Season 3.

All that aside though, the motive is probably the most important thing. They could have a really cool, shocking reveal and then ruin it by having the motive be utter ****. If they reveal A as CeCe and make it work with the motive etc, I'd be fine. A little underwhelmed sure, but fine. :)

I'm still hoping against hope that it's Wren, though. :laugh2: (though even with my Wren suspicion, I'd be more than happy for CeCe to be fully involved along with him).

Smithy 20-02-2015 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 7604390)
Yeah, you are right tbh, they've definitely toned down the shady-factor with her.

They could definitely still have the reveal be exciting etc, but the fact that there were 6 episodes of this second A terrorising the girls before we even knew she existed will still be in the back of my mind. That's just me and my preference though, I'm very fussy with my mysteries. :laugh:

Sure. I mean, her being a leading suspect for ages would definitely niggle a bit, but I'd definitely be okay with it being CeCe if we knew her since at least the start of Season 3.

All that aside though, the motive is probably the most important thing. They could have a really cool, shocking reveal and then ruin it by having the motive be utter ****. If they reveal A as CeCe and make it work with the motive etc, I'd be fine. A little underwhelmed sure, but fine. :)

I'm still hoping against hope that it's Wren, though. :laugh2: (though even with my Wren suspicion, I'd be more than happy for CeCe to be fully involved along with him).
i do get what you're saying about it being odd that A wasn't even introduced to the show, while the girls were still getting messages but i just reckon it'd have been really obvious, a new character is introduced and the first text the girls get from new A is

"Mona played with dolls. I play with body parts. Game on, bitches. –A."

I do think Wren could be involved, the last we saw him, he was colouring in a girl in a red coat, and he was the one who let Cece in to see Mona when she was in Radley, but then again, he could have just been really naive in thinking that she could help mona :laugh:

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604338)
Also dollface what would you say would be Melissa's motive against the other girls? Fair enough i could potentially understand her being against Spencer and Ali but why Aria/Em/Hanna?
Crap, I don't know :laugh:

Smithy 20-02-2015 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604177)
It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604435)
Crap, I don't know :laugh:
:joker::joker::joker::joker:

looks like we're back to Queen C A

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Dollface 20-02-2015 09:18 PM
I'm re-watching season 1 and Emily's mum really pisses me off

LukeB 20-02-2015 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604440)
I'm re-watching season 1 and Emily's mum really pisses me off
:laugh: I have just started season 1

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604437)
:joker::joker::joker::joker:

looks like we're back to Queen C A

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:laugh: I just thought about her resentment towards Ali and Spencer, i forgot about Aria/Emily/Hanna :worry:

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7604441)
:laugh: I have just started season 1
Are you liking it so far? :flutter: What ep are you on?

and

DO YOU LOVE WREN? :flutter:

LukeB 20-02-2015 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604448)
Are you liking it so far? :flutter: What ep are you on?

and

DO YOU LOVE WREN? :flutter:
Episode 5!
and he's hot :flutter:
my favourite girl is Spencer :love:

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7604449)
Episode 5!
and he's hot :flutter:
my favourite girl is Spencer :love:
He's seriously like the hottest thing i've ever seen in my life :hehe:
omg me too! :D I love Spencer and Hanna :love: Aria & Emily annoy me though :laugh:

Lostie! 20-02-2015 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604402)
I do think Wren could be involved, the last we saw him, he was colouring in a girl in a red coat, and he was the one who let Cece in to see Mona when she was in Radley, but then again, he could have just been really naive in thinking that she could help mona :laugh:
Speaking of Wren's drawing, some of the theories I read pointed out how it was similar to Bethany's sketches. :suspect:

Sorry, I just really want him to be connected to Bethany, I'd love it. Until the show confirms otherwise, I'm going with the theory that Bethany was Wren's sister / half sister adopted to another family and who inherited their father's schizophrenia. I really want this to happen. :flutter:

She'll most likely be related to the DiLaurentis family, though.

Smithy 20-02-2015 09:28 PM
But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent? :joker:

Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604464)
But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent? :joker:

Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated
You make some good points lmao

Dollface 20-02-2015 09:32 PM
Season 1 is making me really wish Hanna & Lucas got together, they'd of made such a cute couple :bawling:

Smithy 20-02-2015 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollface (Post 7604469)
You make some good points lmao
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Lostie! 20-02-2015 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604464)
But Wren is British, why would his sister be in a mental institute in the US rather than the UK and with an American accent? :joker:
That's why I specified her being adopted to another family (she could have been put up for adoption, and the family she ended up with moved to the US) or being a half sister. Her father could have had her with an American woman who took custody and raised her with a new partner who she see as her father. It's not massively far-fetched (unlike plenty of other stuff on this show :laugh:).

And if not a sister, he could still be connected to her. His family experience with mental illness could prompted him to volunteer with mental illness patients and he may have met Bethany and formed a strong bond with her / developed feelings for her, etc.

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7604464)
Plus Wren would have still been in college when Bethany was killed because it was only after Alison disappeared that he got with Melissa and graduated
If he first got with Melissa after Alison disappeared (which was also after Bethany disappeared), that adds up perfectly if his relationship with Melissa is an act on his part.

Of course, him studying at Oxford during the time that Bethany died would be problematic, but I don't see why he could never have been in the US during that time, even for a short period.

Like I said, it probably won't happen, but I'd love it if it did. It's probably my favourite theory (I didn't think of it so that's not me being arrogant :laugh:), so I'm sticking with it (even though I don't fully expect it to happen) until the show 100% debunks it. :laugh:

Ninastar 22-02-2015 12:19 PM
omg this is all so confusing

ima have to read this from like 3 pages back

andybigbro 24-02-2015 07:11 PM
Looking forward to the next episode :D


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